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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

There’s none in backing him anymore. The dinosaurs on the republican side will slowly get the hint, or we’ll stumble over their remains in a tar pit somewhere a few millennia on.

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/trump-campaign-vow-fighting-election-results-435398

[REDSTATEWARD]

The problem with that chart is the irrelevant premise.

[josh]

The problem with that chart is the irrelevant premise.

The problem with that poster is the irrelevant poster.

[bodiddley]

My scenario is simply if Trump had used the Insurrection Act once and put US military on the streets engaging with BLM and other protesters, he would have a shot at using the military and Insurrection Act to stop Biden and the Dems from stealing the election from him.

Also, worryingly the military would have been used as a campaign prop by trump.  Though we saw that in smaller form with Bush arriving on an aircraft carrier in a fighter jet to announce Mission Accomplished.

[josh]

This was from 2012's election:


In the intervening years, Nevada moved to 8th on the list of lowest states. A little shuffling on each, but the blueness on the top and redness on the bottom have not changed, though Utah is now 11th on the top.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/william-barr-voting-irregularities/index.html

The top election crimes official resigns after the US attorney general tells federal prosecutors to probe unsupported allegations of voting irregularities.

[REDSTATEWARD]

My scenario is simply if Trump had used the Insurrection Act once and put US military on the streets engaging with BLM and other protesters, he would have a shot at using the military and Insurrection Act to stop Biden and the Dems from stealing the election from him.

Also, worryingly the military would have been used as a campaign prop by trump.  Though we saw that in smaller form with Bush arriving on an aircraft carrier in a fighter jet to announce Mission Accomplished.

LOL
I think maybe DiddleyBop is drunk.
Certainly he is not sane.

[bambu.]

Ah yes, the worst educated/no college degree folk.
Hope nobody here is going to be trying to tell me that such folk are 'dumb, 'stoopid', 'ignorant, or any like thing.

The post seems very elitist.

[Kam]

Ah yes, the worst educated/no college degree folk.
Hope nobody here is going to be trying to tell me that such folk are 'dumb, 'stoopid', 'ignorant, or any like thing.

The post seems very elitist.

It is what is is.   You are the one choosing to describe it with your terms.

[bambu.]

Ah yes, the "worst educated/no college degree" folk.
Hope nobody here is going to be trying to tell me that such folk are 'dumb, 'stoopid', 'ignorant, or any like thing.

The post seems very elitist.

It is what is is.   You are the one choosing to describe it with your terms.

"Best educated" is subjective.
Bachelor of Arts degree is not much good for growing, corn, soy beans, horses, goats in Kentucky.

[Kam]

Ah yes, the "worst educated/no college degree" folk.
Hope nobody here is going to be trying to tell me that such folk are 'dumb, 'stoopid', 'ignorant, or any like thing.

The post seems very elitist.

It is what is is.   You are the one choosing to describe it with your terms.

"Best educated" is subjective.
Bachelor of Arts degree is not much good for growing, corn, soy beans, horses, goats in Kentucky.

I don't know about Australia but in the US when you apply for a job they ask you what your highest level of education is.

So "Best Educated" really means "how many years did you devote to formal education in high school, college, and post-graduate study".

The better educated term just refers to more years in formal study.

I hope that helps.

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And there are agricultural schools in the US as well.  You can get a Bachelors in agricultural science. 

[bodiddley]

That's been my main takeaway.
That Americans are poorly educated and need to learn more critical thinking skills, and just get a better overall education.
Only 1/3 of Americans have a college degree - that seems awfully low to me.
A Dem goal should be to up that to 50% within 10 or 15 years.
Better educated means they earn more money, can handle the new economy which requires computer skills, and more likely to be able to detect fraud and poor reasonign and fearmongering, and vote DEM

[bodiddley]

Trump has shown little interest in following rules or norms.
1. Trump's talked openly about a 3rd term.
2. In two successive elections Trump has not only refused to say he would abide by the voting results, but has both times, without evidence, claimed that there were large numbers of fraudulent, and asserted that he won big both times.
3. He's wanted these election results to go to the Supreme Court, where he hopes the fix is in. 
4. Trump is reportedly looking into getting states with a GOP legislature in which the citizens voted for Biden to verify a Trump slate of electors instead

Trump is blatantly anti-democratic and just wants to win, regardless of legalities.
How could Trump stay in office if he lost the official vote?
Basically, he'd need military backing.
And if he used the Insurrection Act successfully once to crack heads in cities, he could invoke it again to protect his "win" against protesters, counting on support from an already compromised military.

It's not how things have played out yet.  But it's not hard to see how this could have gone down and American democracy strangled.  You don't wait until bad things happen until you prepare for them.  The US dodged a bullet.  But things could have gone differently and more fascist if the military indeed went into cities to quell/stomp on demonstrations.  Which wasn't far from occurring.

[LarryBnDC]

Trump has shown little interest in following rules or norms.
1. Trump's talked openly about a 3rd term.
2. In two successive elections Trump has not only refused to say he would abide by the voting results, but has both times, without evidence, claimed that there were large numbers of fraudulent, and asserted that he won big both times.
3. He's wanted these election results to go to the Supreme Court, where he hopes the fix is in. 
4. Trump is reportedly looking into getting states with a GOP legislature in which the citizens voted for Biden to verify a Trump slate of electors instead

Trump is blatantly anti-democratic and just wants to win, regardless of legalities.
How could Trump stay in office if he lost the official vote?
Basically, he'd need military backing.
And if he used the Insurrection Act successfully once to crack heads in cities, he could invoke it again to protect his "win" against protesters, counting on support from an already compromised military.

It's not how things have played out yet.  But it's not hard to see how this could have gone down and American democracy strangled.  You don't wait until bad things happen until you prepare for them.  The US dodged a bullet.  But things could have gone differently and more fascist if the military indeed went into cities to quell/stomp on demonstrations.  Which wasn't far from occurring.

The above is why he fired Mark Esper. Esper pushed back on allowing the Man Who Would  Be The Mad King time use active duty military to put down protests a la Tiananmen Square 1989.

[bodiddley]

From the AP:

Esper’s departure has appeared inevitable ever since he publicly broke with Trump in June over the president’s push to deploy military troops in the streets of the nation’s capital in response to civil unrest following the police killing of George Floyd. Esper publicly opposed Trump’s threats to invoke the two-centuries-old Insurrection Act, which would allow the president to use active-duty troops in a law enforcement role.

And Trump was furious when Esper told reporters the Insurrection Act should be invoked “only in the most urgent and dire of situations,” and, “We are not in one of those situations now.”

If you don't believe that is true, check the AP sources.
Perversely, the Trump Admin has been very transparent, due to the fact that almost everything that occurred gets leaked out.  Everything else that has leaked out has been conformed, mostly because it's usually high ranking folks who were known to have been in the room at the time.   Though sometimes a Trump tweet confirms the leak.
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Barr was reportedly interested in putting armed federal troop in some polling stations, and was disappointed to learn that was not legal.
According to CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/william-barr-voting-irregularities/index.html