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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

“At least three medics who received Russia’s vaunted Sputnik V vaccine have contracted the coronavirus in Siberia as part of a vaccination drive of at-risk groups, regional authorities said Tuesday.”

This is a mild version of what I fear from hasty vaccines.

Pfizer's work makes me less nervous than the Russians', the Chinese, or the US-based efforts. They are under less governmental pressure, which makes them less likely to cut corners.

But unfortunately, it is only less likely. They are still chained to the bottom dollar.

[josh]

Bonus points to Senator Lankford (R-OK)!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/11/politics/james-lankford-biden-intelligence-briefings/index.html

[LarryBnDC]

Well, Joe Biden’s Covid advisor Dr. Michael Osterholm called for a  4-6 week nationwide lockdown “like they did in New Zealand and Australia.”
Osterholm said a 6 week nationwide lockdown would get Covid under control and revive the economy.

You might remember it was Osterholm who wrote a New York Times op-ed over the summer praising Chinese Communist style authoritarian lockdowns: To be effective, the lockdown has to be as comprehensive and strict as possible.

So remember this  Scientist cites successes in Australia and New Zealand( surrounded by ocean water) and China (who willfully kill tens of thousands of its citizens, if not millions) in fighting the spread of the disease.

You mean the highly effective 2 month Chinese lockdown, which allowed the Chinese economy to bounce back and grow this year in contrast to all of Europe and the US.  And there's no virus in China so its citizens are totally safe from the disease.  That lockdown? 

LOL   
Chinese  euthanasia to ease the pain and suffering of the communists being denied the spoils of dictatorship.

The US is having more cases per day now than China had in total this year.  China is down to 60th most cases globally, fewer than small countries such as Bulgaria and Lebanon.  The Chinese lockdown was a tremendous success.  I think it would be hard to find one Chinese person who felt the lockdown was inappropriate or not worth it.

LOL.  Of course not. Chinese people, for the most part, keep their mouths shut to live.

You can idiotically try to distract by talking vaguely about Chinese killing people.
But if China had the same awful policies and death rate as the US, 1.1M Chinese would have died from the virus, which would still be raging and extending.  And the economy would be battered.

Too bad Trump didn't implement such a lockdown back in March /April.
It would have been a different world and even election then, with a gradual reopening in May/June and, if implemented properly, no more virus and things back close to normal starting in July.

Trump couldn’t . The USA is bound by the rule of law and a Constitution.
China’s ruling class cares only about itself. Dissenters are imprisoned or executed.

Now that is a lockdown

Damn, that’s sounds a lot like being black in America.

[facilitatorn]

A lot like being Black in America. Red wouldn’t stand for it personally.

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/11/1995076/-Peddling-election-conspiracy-theories-GOP-lays-groundwork-for-far-right-terrorism

[LarryBnDC]

Bonus points to Senator Lankford (R-OK)!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/11/politics/james-lankford-biden-intelligence-briefings/index.html

I hope he can hold his integrity when the Trumpists unleash their flying monkeys on him.

[LarryBnDC]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/11/1995076/-Peddling-election-conspiracy-theories-GOP-lays-groundwork-for-far-right-terrorism

Yep.

Straight out of the Turner Diaries.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Overall big net minus for democrats.

Really?


Democrats control the House the presidency and have a good shot at a tie in the Senate.

yeah, that Blue Wave was something.  Like maybe a puddle in the Rio Grande.

[LarryBnDC]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Overall big net minus for democrats.

Really?


Democrats control the House the presidency and have a good shot at a tie in the Senate.

yeah, that Blue Wave was something.  Like maybe a puddle in the Rio Grande.

Is that why your party is indulging the man baby in the White House while he throws a tantrum?

No matter how you slice it, Trump is done.

[bankshot1]

If Joe B knows and trusts the judgement of a moderate Repub in a specfic area and knows that said person could be an effective administrator and voice for his policies in that area, given the overheated partisan nature of our politics and Biden's view of working across the aisle, I have no problem whatsoever with him choosing the best available person to advance his policies and run a department. I think it sends a positive message. IMO only considering Dems for high level positions is idiotic and runs counter to furthering our national interests. 

Rather than show weakness it demonstrates strength in that you're not afraid of picking the best people independent of how they've voted in the past.

Not much in this current iteration of Republicans to pick from.

Maybe maybe not. But given Biden's inclination to seek healing and working across the aisle, I expect him to make a good faith effort to throw the dogs a bone,

But the point was its shortsighted to ignore smart, competent and reasonable people who may help you achieve political goals, because of their to party affiliation. This country needs a lot of fixing and given the deep divides, reasonable voices on both sides are going to be needed to work together, or we may be fucked for a lon time.

My concern is that McConnell is so focused on blocking Biden, he damages America for decades. We need some Repubs to forget about party and start thinking about the country.

And soon.

[facilitatorn]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Overall big net minus for democrats.

Really?


Democrats control the House the presidency and have a good shot at a tie in the Senate.

yeah, that Blue Wave was something.  Like maybe a puddle in the Rio Grande.

Is that why your party is indulging the man baby in the White House while he throws a tantrum?

No matter how you slice it, Trump is done.

1/5 the sitting republicans will lose their seats to convictions in the first half of this term, just on incontestable paper crimes.

The wave rolls on.

[LarryBnDC]

If Joe B knows and trusts the judgement of a moderate Repub in a specfic area and knows that said person could be an effective administrator and voice for his policies in that area, given the overheated partisan nature of our politics and Biden's view of working across the aisle, I have no problem whatsoever with him choosing the best available person to advance his policies and run a department. I think it sends a positive message. IMO only considering Dems for high level positions is idiotic and runs counter to furthering our national interests. 

Rather than show weakness it demonstrates strength in that you're not afraid of picking the best people independent of how they've voted in the past.

Not much in this current iteration of Republicans to pick from.

Maybe maybe not. But given Biden's inclination to seek healing and working across the aisle, I expect him to make a good faith effort to throw the dogs a bone,

But the point was its shortsighted to ignore smart, competent and reasonable people who may help you achieve political goals, because of their to party affiliation. This country needs a lot of fixing and given the deep divides, reasonable voices on both sides are going to be needed to work together, or we may be fucked for a lon time.

My concern is that McConnell is so focused on blocking Biden, he damages America for decades. We need some Repubs to forget about party and start thinking about the country.

And soon.

Good luck with that.

[josh]

[REDSTATEWARD]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Overall big net minus for democrats.

Really?


Democrats control the House the presidency and have a good shot at a tie in the Senate.

yeah, that Blue Wave was something.  Like maybe a puddle in the Rio Grande.

Is that why your party is indulging the man baby in the White House while he throws a tantrum?

No matter how you slice it, Trump is done.

I dont dispute Biden won.
I point out the democrats lost the war.
Instead of double digit gains in the House Pelosi lost a minimum of 12 seats and is begging to keep her Speaker’s job as a lame duck.  The Senate has 50 republicans and two more to come.  State governments are in control of republicans 2-1, the same ratio holds for the GOP in states that draw district lines for Congress and local elections. Tell Joe he has two years to make his mark before he loses the House and gets buried in the Senate.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Okay, so you got nothing and know nothing about China.

The Chinese lockdown was a tremendous success which saved lives and the Chinese economy.  Full stop.  Really inarguable.

LOL   Anybody “ arguing” otherwise in China is never going argue anything anymore.

In Shanghai, you go about your life without worry and don't need to take any safety measures.  You would completely forget about the virus, except for the maybe 10% of the people still wearing masks regularly.

I'm safe (along with 1.4B Chinese), you and Americans are not.
Might want to consider why.

We all know why.  You kneel and obey.