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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Overall big net minus for democrats.

Really?


Democrats control the House the presidency and have a good shot at a tie in the Senate.

yeah, that Blue Wave was something.  Like maybe a puddle in the Rio Grande.

Is that why your party is indulging the man baby in the White House while he throws a tantrum?

No matter how you slice it, Trump is done.

I dont dispute Biden won.
I point out the democrats lost the war.
Instead of double digit gains in the House Pelosi lost a minimum of 12 seats and is begging to keep her Speaker’s job as a lame duck.  The Senate has 50 republicans and two more to come.  State governments are in control of republicans 2-1, the same ratio holds for the GOP in states that draw district lines for Congress and local elections. Tell Joe he has two years to make his mark before he loses the House and gets buried in the Senate.

Gonna run the 2009 playbook again, huh?

This time folks are not only going broke they’re getting sick and dying.

The glee you take in the pain and suffering the GOP has willingly inflicted on the nation is really unbecoming.

I’m not sure Ron Johnson shares your confidence.

[facilitatorn]

Red is very proud of the republican campaign that won 120,000 new Covid cases a day for this country, on its way to 200,000. What a victory!

[bambu.]

Is bodiddley Chinese?

[bambu.]

In Chicago, 3,619 people have been shot this year.
That is 1,231 more than 2019.

In America a person is shot dead every 15 minutes.
Good people should move to Massachusetts...hardly anyone gets shot there.

[josh]

In Chicago, 3,619 people have been shot this year.
That is 1,231 more than 2019.

In America a person is shot dead every 15 minutes.
Good people should move to Massachusetts...hardly anyone gets shot there.

If all the good people moved to Massachusetts, more people would get shot here.

If only because those seeking to take advantage of others would follow them.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Overall big net minus for democrats.

Really?


Democrats control the House the presidency and have a good shot at a tie in the Senate.

yeah, that Blue Wave was something.  Like maybe a puddle in the Rio Grande.

Is that why your party is indulging the man baby in the White House while he throws a tantrum?

No matter how you slice it, Trump is done.

I dont dispute Biden won.
I point out the democrats lost the war.
Instead of double digit gains in the House Pelosi lost a minimum of 12 seats and is begging to keep her Speaker’s job as a lame duck.  The Senate has 50 republicans and two more to come.  State governments are in control of republicans 2-1, the same ratio holds for the GOP in states that draw district lines for Congress and local elections. Tell Joe he has two years to make his mark before he loses the House and gets buried in the Senate.

Gonna run the 2009 playbook again, huh

The dems can’t help themselves. A party without a soul or a purpose 
As long as it wants to make Trump the Magnificent  Obsession.

[Kam]

"Defund the Police" needs to give way to "Fund our Communities" and "Re-train the Police"

Depends on who you’re talking to.

The message only plays well in certain cities, most of them already under democratic leadership.  It scares away everyone else. 

On the whole only abut 20% agree / 80% disagree with DTP.  You're not going to win many (any?) elections with DTP.

[Kam]

Okay, so you got nothing and know nothing about China.

The Chinese lockdown was a tremendous success which saved lives and the Chinese economy.  Full stop.  Really inarguable.

LOL   Anybody “ arguing” otherwise in China is never going argue anything anymore.

In Shanghai, you go about your life without worry and don't need to take any safety measures.  You would completely forget about the virus, except for the maybe 10% of the people still wearing masks regularly.

I'm safe (along with 1.4B Chinese), you and Americans are not.
Might want to consider why.

We all know why.  You kneel and obey.

So you're saying because China is not like America they can't control a pandemic? 
We get that you like to make fun of china, but they hands down did a better job than the US.

[bodiddley]

Problem is in politics if you’re explaining you’re losing.

Which is why you simply change the messaging to Reform the Police, which is popular.
Dems need to get better at repeating slogans and using national startegies.

Defund grabbed attention, but put it to rest as you try to implement and run on it.
Which I think is exactly what has been going on.  The only ones saying defund are GOPers against reform.  End police militarization is a secondary motif.  I would slip int he military term when I could.

[bodiddley]

It's hard to parse an argument out of Red's non-sequiturs.

So here's a simple quiz:

1) Which country had a better overall response to the Coronavirus, the USA or the PRC?

2) Which economy will grow more this year, China or the US?

3) Was the lockdown in China effective?

4) Are masks an effective and useful means of blocking and reducing viral transmission?

5) Why did the US have 250K confirmed CV-19 deaths and over 10M infection cases compared with China's roughly 5,000 CV deaths and under 100K infections?
(note: China with 4.3x greater population and a weaker health care system)

6) Have CV-19 infections been reduced to a negligible amount in China -- one or two dozen new imported cases per day now as China reports  -- or is there some sort of large outbreak possibly on a European or American scale that China is hiding?

These are pretty simple straightforward questions.
I'd like to see Red and Kiid answer as many of them as they can manage.
The first 4 just require one word answers (though details are fine too).

[luee]

A dictatorship is usually more efficient but the cost is great. But with the Donald you got an incompetent, unscientific dictator. The worst of two worlds.

[Hamilton Samuels]

"Defund the Police" needs to give way to "Fund our Communities" and "Re-train the Police"

How about if the police and the community sit down and have a chat about what this phrase means, first: "Protect and Serve".

Is that by the same author as "To Serve Man?"

The question is a valid one. Every community needs to determine, first, what it means for its police to "protect and serve" that community.

That you want to dismiss that question do readily tells us you aren't serious about examining the complex issues that surround policing communities effectively and with the collaboration of a given community.

[josh]

"Defund the Police" needs to give way to "Fund our Communities" and "Re-train the Police"

How about if the police and the community sit down and have a chat about what this phrase means, first: "Protect and Serve".

Is that by the same author as "To Serve Man?"

The question is a valid one. Every community needs to determine, first, what it means for its police to "protect and serve" that community.

That you want to dismiss that question do readily tells us you aren't serious about examining the complex issues that surround policing communities effectively and with the collaboration of a given community.

That you want to pretend that my comment was a serious response is on you, not me.

[josh]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mississippi-lawmaker-apologizes-after-calling-for-state-to-leave-us-over-biden-win

[Hamilton Samuels]

"Defund the Police" needs to give way to "Fund our Communities" and "Re-train the Police"

How about if the police and the community sit down and have a chat about what this phrase means, first: "Protect and Serve".

Is that by the same author as "To Serve Man?"

The question is a valid one. Every community needs to determine, first, what it means for its police to "protect and serve" that community.

That you want to dismiss that question do readily tells us you aren't serious about examining the complex issues that surround policing communities effectively and with the collaboration of a given community.

That you want to pretend that my comment was a serious response is on you, not me.

Dodge and duck, Josh. It's what you do.

The prevailing leftist philosophy is that only the police need to change their behavior in a community. The right-wing says they're only doing their job to combat a community that protects and serves a criminal element within it's environs.

Communities that have reformed and improved have created partnerships between the police and key members of the community who have influence. Together, they've defined "protect and serve" as protecting the citizenry and serving the community as being the responsibility of the police AND the people.

So, you can continue to embrace ignorance and throw snark, or...you could grow up.