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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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« Reply #57405 on: November 18, 2020, 01:00:04 PM »

I will mildly diverge from Oil and Bo to suggest that "disgraceful" is what give Trump's base a hard-on, and gets them to march to the polls in percentages only a demagogic populist can achieve.  Fighting lost causes like some demented Fight Robot, be it the restoration of coal energy or the cancelling of a lawful election, is one of the core personality traits that keep Trumpistas so loyal.  The most naive populist voter doesn't think "he's fighting because of his own bloated ego."  He thinks rather "He's fighting for ME!" 

I do think there's hope, if the GOTV folk can really leverage the fate of the 2021 Senate and the possibility of a unified Biden government in their pitch to Dems and Independents to go back to the polling stations (or mailboxes, or dropboxes).  And yes, some voters are repelled not only by the Sore Loser stuff, but by the attempt to undermine their vote for Biden. 

Out of state cash is a factor, but as the general election demonstrated, not as much as it used to be.
Hmmm.Sore losers?

The CNN exit polls shed favorable lights on the GOP, not the dems. And they underscore that moderates swung the election to Biden. The GOP will have at least 50 members of the Senate for the fourth consecutive election and it severely cut the dem margin in the House, much to the concern of moderate dem members who are fed up with being labeled as socialists, defunders of police, or purveyors of identity politics.
Demographically the share of the white vote declined to 67% from 71%, Latinos increased from 11-13 and were especially of help to republicans in Texas and Florida. Over 20 per cent of the voters were older than 65 while the per cent of young adults declined. 
CNN exit polls also showed self-identified liberals decreased 2 points to 24% while conservatives increased 3 points to 38 % while another 38% claimed to bemoderates.
If Biden has any mandate it would be to not rock the boat by falling  for such radical ideas as packing SCOTUS, adding states to the union, ending fracking, reestablishing affirmative action or raising taxes indiscriminately.

You might want to pay attention to what the voters actually said.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57406 on: November 18, 2020, 01:02:58 PM »

Red remains convinced that his guy won.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57408 on: November 18, 2020, 01:25:28 PM »

Red remains convinced that his guy won.
LOL!
You are going to miss Trump.
What else would you have to talk about?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57409 on: November 18, 2020, 01:39:40 PM »

Red remains convinced that his guy won.
LOL!
You are going to miss Trump.
What else would you have to talk about?

All of the crap McConnell does.

All of the crap Biden does and doesn't do.

And we won't be missing Trump for at least a couple years, during his court cases, sentencing, and innumerable appeals.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57410 on: November 18, 2020, 02:03:22 PM »

Red remains convinced that his guy won.
LOL!
You are going to miss Trump.
What else would you have to talk about?

All of the crap McConnell does.

All of the crap Biden does and doesn't do.

And we won't be missing Trump for at least a couple years, during his court cases, sentencing, and innumerable appeals.
Agreed. Trump "leaving" will be very similar to Utley's "departures.".
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57411 on: November 18, 2020, 02:07:38 PM »

Red remains convinced that his guy won.
LOL!
You are going to miss Trump.
What else would you have to talk about?

Red tries so hard to convince anyone he is still remotely relevant.
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REDSTATEWARD

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57412 on: November 18, 2020, 02:07:56 PM »

Red remains convinced that his guy won.
LOL!
You are going to miss Trump.
What else would you have to talk about?

All of the crap McConnell does.

All of the crap Biden does and doesn't do.

And we won't be missing Trump for at least a couple years, during his court cases, sentencing, and innumerable appeals.
LOL!
Enjoy yourself.
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« Reply #57413 on: November 18, 2020, 02:09:40 PM »

Trump acts dangerously undemocratic.
Claims he won.  Claims there was fraud.
Fires gov't officials who disagree with Trump's phony claims.
While most of the GOP leaders line up behind Trump.

But if the Dems do nothing and there's no penalty for this, the GOP will continue such rotten behavior.
They stole a Supreme Court seat and Obama Admin meekly acquiesced.  Of course they rammed another through right before the election.
If they don't have to pay a price for misbehavior and subverting democracy, they'll keep doing it.

The best solution is to cut off their thumbs and their noses. This will make it more difficult for those same republicans to carry out similar crimes in the future.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57414 on: November 18, 2020, 02:47:30 PM »

http://www.emptywheel.net/2020/11/18/rudys-coup/

Stop your messing around (aah ah)
Better think of your future
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57415 on: November 18, 2020, 02:50:32 PM »

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« Reply #57416 on: November 18, 2020, 02:59:28 PM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57417 on: November 18, 2020, 03:00:35 PM »

http://www.emptywheel.net/2020/11/18/rudys-coup/

Stop your messing around (aah ah)
Better think of your future

There's The Specials place in hell for them.
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« Reply #57418 on: November 18, 2020, 03:02:31 PM »

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« Reply #57419 on: November 18, 2020, 03:05:49 PM »

Not that Republican donations went for this but

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-partial-recount-two-wisconsin-counties

Sad stall to by time for republican plumbers to erase trump’s legacy before they and it get exposed.
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