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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bodiddley]

In a world where at times its diificult to always maintain proper social distance, the risk of not social distancing is reduced by wearing a mask.

There is no proper social distance.
Except maybe something impractical around 20 feet.
Certainly being close to other people is worse than being further away.
But droplets and aerosol spray don't just magically stop at 6 feet.

When in public, masks should be number one priority, keeping a distance from others secondary.
But it's of course prudent and most effective to combine the two.
Masks plus staying away from other people as much as possible.
The Surgeon General is still sticking with If you can't social distance in public than you should wear a mask.  Do both.  With masks the priority.

(plus testing and contact tracing)

[bodiddley]

And that is the "President-Reject", btw.

aka the Apparent Loser

[josh]

I'm with Wyden.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/politics/biden-morell-cia-director-wyden/index.html

[josh]

More from the crybaby poor losers of the GOP:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/25/politics/trump-pennsylvania-hearing-giuliani/index.html

[bodiddley]

The GOP pulls shit like this because they never have to pay a price.

The Dems need to call it a potential coup attempt, stress how undemocratic and dangerous this way of contesting the election is, and remind people of this for a long time. 

Instead it'll just be forgotten and never mentioned by Dems again as they try to play nice, govern moderately and unite the country.

[josh]

Speaking of "never mentioning again," a couple folks here have been repeatedly singing Trump's praises for what he did for Vets and slamming Obama.

This is from 2015, on the topic of homeless vets:

[facilitatorn]

The GOP pulls shit like this because they never have to pay a price.

The Dems need to call it a potential coup attempt, stress how undemocratic and dangerous this way of contesting the election is, and remind people of this for a long time. 

Instead it'll just be forgotten and never mentioned by Dems again as they try to play nice, govern moderately and unite the country.

A good thorough season of prosecutions of the trump family, enablers, side grifters, and complicit members of the senate and congress, along with funders of allied lost causes, and a few dirty judges resulting in ruinous legal fees, significant prison time, and asset forfeiture would dissuade republicans from launching attacks on the United States and on the rule of law willy-nilly, as they have for the last half century.

Had Stone and Mannafort been disemboweled and defenestrated as they richly deserved after their Nixon shenanigans, shrub would have folded in Florida, saving us from 9/11, Katrina, and the financial collapse. Trump would have died in the primaries saving us from all the evils that almost make shrub seem like a passable president in comparison. He wasn’t passable even though trump has been much worse. We should grind Pimpeo, Miller, Munchkin, Wolf, and the rest of their cohort in to fine powder. We should be infinitely more brutal toward Kushner, Ivanka, donnito, and Eric. The old man himself must die in ridicule and penury, abandoned and reviled. All amoral political climbers should now fates like that are the reward for success in such attacks on our nation.

[josh]

More data for the science-deniers to try to knock down, and pretend that they have.

The thing is that this came out almost two months ago - it's just that this federal administration has continued to bury science instead of shouting it from the rooftops, because they don't like what the science says.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence

Largest COVID-19 contact tracing study to date finds children key to spread, evidence of superspreaders

A study of more than a half-million people in India who were exposed to the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 suggests that the virus’ continued spread is driven by only a small percentage of those who become infected.

Furthermore, children and young adults were found to be potentially much more important to transmitting the virus — especially within households — than previous studies have identified, according to a paper by researchers from the United States and India published Sept. 30 in the journal Science.

[barton]

Might also point out that someone who hates lockdowns should support mask wearing,  given that it makes public gatherings safer and decreases the chance of a mass infection that would force the issue.

well, except it doesnt.
Unless you are oblivious to the numbers.
As we now know lockdowns have proven to be a disaster.
Wearing a mask without social distancing is another disaster.

This post distorts truth.

Not if you understood that I meant gatherings with social distancing.  The obvious point was that,  whatever the conditions,  masks decrease transmission.  No one was saying mask wearing alone was a panacea.   

If someone is talking loudly or singing, for example,  you can be six or more feet away,  and still have virus droplets reach you.   So in those less-than-ideal situations, also being masked (both parties) makes considerable difference.   And all the data supports what I've said.   

So,  again,  mask wearing reduces infection rates which in turn decreases the likelihood of an economically disruptive lockdown.   It's so bizarre you are trolling someone who was supporting your contention that lockdowns are to be avoided.   

[josh]

In more recent news...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-hospitalizations-new-york-up-128-percent-cuomo/

Hospitalizations in NY are up 128 percent in just these last 3 weeks!

Meanwhile, " More than 85,000 Americans are hospitalized with the coronavirus, setting a new record for the 14th consecutive day, according to figures from the COVID Tracking Project. A new report from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services says more than 1,000 hospitals across the country are now critically short on staff."

The US will hit 4+% of our population having been infected either tomorrow or Friday, in all likelihood.

[barton]

Might also point out that someone who hates lockdowns should support mask wearing,  given that it makes public gatherings safer and decreases the chance of a mass infection that would force the issue.

well, except it doesnt.
Unless you are oblivious to the numbers.
As we now know lockdowns have proven to be a disaster.
Wearing a mask without social distancing is another disaster.

This post distorts truth.

Sweet!

Ooh! Barton used red letters !
I bet he is stomping his feet too.

How would I have been able to edit your posting?   You may want to scroll back and notice that the red letters were added by moderator.   

[barton]

I'm with Wyden.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/politics/biden-morell-cia-director-wyden/index.html

Morell is one mushroom that shouldn't be picked.   The CIA needs to have torture keep dwindling in its rearview mirror.   

[josh]

Might also point out that someone who hates lockdowns should support mask wearing,  given that it makes public gatherings safer and decreases the chance of a mass infection that would force the issue.

well, except it doesnt.
Unless you are oblivious to the numbers.
As we now know lockdowns have proven to be a disaster.
Wearing a mask without social distancing is another disaster.

This post distorts truth.

Sweet!

Ooh! Barton used red letters !
I bet he is stomping his feet too.

How would I have been able to edit your posting?   You may want to scroll back and notice that the red letters were added by moderator.

He hadn't looked at his own post, only Kam's.

So, he leapt to a nonsensical conclusion.

As I noted in response to his bizarre claim, his ability to process information is even weaker than I had previously thought. And I hadn't thought it was good!

[kidcarter8]

the President pardons the turkey...then what happens...a frozen one is bought from the supermarket for Thanksgiving dinner?

They are using Trump as the turkey this year - but having prime rib and lobster, surely.

[kidcarter8]

When in public, masks should be number one priority, keeping a distance from others secondary.


What is considered "public"?