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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

On my tv  just now it was announced that Rudy has Covid-19, and is in the best of care.

Also, he was described as "eccentric"...and he was also quoted as saying that he can "smell crime".

He's lost his sense of smell, among other senses.

He cleaned up NYC...he had the good sense to do that.
New Yorkers should be eternally grateful.

Rudy and Bush were both doing terrible jobs. They had massive scandals spilling out of control and were both inches from being tossed out on their ears. 9/11 saved both unworthy men’s careers.

[kidcarter8]

The combination of the vast numbers of elected GOP officials who refuse to publicly acknowledge both the Biden win and that the efforts by Trump to undermine our election system and to overturn the votes of the public and the inability or unwillingness of even those who were not never-Trumpers but who have called the president out for his lies and his efforts to acknowledge that this is exactly who the majority of the media have been pointing out that Trump is and always have been points to a group too bound to partisanship and bias to be put in a position of power again.


Respecting bot the office and the man in it is not something I would condemn.

[bambu.]

We do not all have rich families who will give us business loans, so there needs to be places where the poor people can go to get honest business loans to get started, to open a restaurant or a night club, or to open a dog kennel, or whatever. One place where the poor people can get business loans is the Bank of New York. The Bank of New York was founded by Alexander Hamilton so that America could get in debt to itself, instead of borrowing money from foreign nations. The United States government took out a loan from the Bank of New York soon after the USA was formed, to pay the paychecks of President George Washington and to pay the paychecks of the rest of the people in government. The Bank of New York was the first company listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

Here is the Wikipedia page for the Bank of New York...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNY_Mellon

There needs to be places where the poor Americans can go to get business loans, to open a restaurant, or to open a dog kennel, or whatever. Americans need access to business loans.

You can go to college and learn how to run a business, and then you can get a business loan after college to open your own business.

Salute,

Tony V.

Problem is..."80% of small businesses fail in the first 5 years" [in bambuland].
Banks usually require security for loans, preferably "bricks and mortar".

[josh]

The combination of the vast numbers of elected GOP officials who refuse to publicly acknowledge both the Biden win and that the efforts by Trump to undermine our election system and to overturn the votes of the public and the inability or unwillingness of even those who were not never-Trumpers but who have called the president out for his lies and his efforts to acknowledge that this is exactly who the majority of the media have been pointing out that Trump is and always have been points to a group too bound to partisanship and bias to be put in a position of power again.


Respecting bot the office and the man in it is not something I would condemn.

Neither of which is being done, unless you mean fear when you say "respecting... the man." They respect is power and his vengeance-seeking behavior.

The refusal to admit publicly that Biden won has nothing to do with respecting the office of the president, let alone respecting the bot.

And respecting the Constitution and the states and their officials seems to be things you do not approve of.

[josh]

When they admit things privately, but not publicly, that is not about respecting the man.

[facilitatorn]

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/528973-juan-williams-trump-is-feasting-on-a-dying-gop

I wish we had cause to believe this meant the GOP is dying. We were told the same things in a couple different previous elections, but without the promised result in the following election cycle.

It ought to mean that.

The combination of the vast numbers of elected GOP officials who refuse to publicly acknowledge both the Biden win and that the efforts by Trump to undermine our election system and to overturn the votes of the public and the inability or unwillingness of even those who were not never-Trumpers but who have called the president out for his lies and his efforts to acknowledge that this is exactly who the majority of the media have been pointing out that Trump is and always have been points to a group too bound to partisanship and bias to be put in a position of power again.

But the very democracy that I want protected means that this aggressively denialist set of GOP officials and their likely successors in that failed philosophy are going to continue to be a major presence in our process for a long time to come.

Sure, it isn't the "old" GOP and we could change the parties name to Grand Old Conspiracy Theorists, but the truth is that they ain't going away nor do they seem to be getting weaker.

The republican party is dead as a political party. It is still going strong as a death cult and a criminal enterprise.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/7/2000320/-Trump-s-demand-that-the-election-be-overturned-is-farce-but-Republican-complicity-is-not

We have to break their spirits and their finances, out their scams and scammers, explode their peccadillos, and tear down and rebuild the institutions that give them succor so they no longer find any shelter there.

[facilitatorn]

The combination of the vast numbers of elected GOP officials who refuse to publicly acknowledge both the Biden win and that the efforts by Trump to undermine our election system and to overturn the votes of the public and the inability or unwillingness of even those who were not never-Trumpers but who have called the president out for his lies and his efforts to acknowledge that this is exactly who the majority of the media have been pointing out that Trump is and always have been points to a group too bound to partisanship and bias to be put in a position of power again.


Respecting bot the office and the man in it is not something I would condemn.

Not the root, but the result of your many well documented personal problems.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-12-07-20/h_8d41bbb9e0fcf1bf7741d988bbbb2bb5



Federal judge dismisses latest election challenge in Georgia

From CNN's Kevin Conlon

A federal judge in Georgia dismissed two motions on Monday morning brought by attorney Sidney Powell aimed at reversing the election results in that state. He was not impressed by Ms. Powell's efforts.

“The plaintiffs do not have standing to bring these claims,” Judge Timothy Batten ruled from the bench immediately following about an hour of arguments.

Judge Batten also dissolved the temporary restraining order that stopped election officials from clearing the latest election data from Dominion voting machines in Cobb, Gwinnett and Cherokee Counties. Election officials in Georgia have said the machines will be needed for early voting that starts in the Senate runoff election in a week.

Batten further said that the plaintiffs waited too long to take such action. “This suit could have been brought months ago before the election, at the time the machines were adopted. The relief they seek, this court cannot grant.”

Finally, Batten called the relief Powell was seeking “the most extraordinary relief ever sought in any federal court,” as it pertains to elections. “They want to substitute the judgement of this court for that of two and a half million Georgia voters who voted for Joe Biden. This I am unwilling to do.”

[facilitatorn]

We do not all have rich families who will give us business loans, so there needs to be places where the poor people can go to get honest business loans to get started, to open a restaurant or a night club, or to open a dog kennel, or whatever. One place where the poor people can get business loans is the Bank of New York. The Bank of New York was founded by Alexander Hamilton so that America could get in debt to itself, instead of borrowing money from foreign nations. The United States government took out a loan from the Bank of New York soon after the USA was formed, to pay the paychecks of President George Washington and to pay the paychecks of the rest of the people in government. The Bank of New York was the first company listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

Here is the Wikipedia page for the Bank of New York...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNY_Mellon

There needs to be places where the poor Americans can go to get business loans, to open a restaurant, or to open a dog kennel, or whatever. Americans need access to business loans.

You can go to college and learn how to run a business, and then you can get a business loan after college to open your own business.

Salute,

Tony V.

Problem is..."80% of small businesses fail in the first 5 years" [in bambuland].
Banks usually require security for loans, preferably "bricks and mortar".

At least one GOP stronghold has a state bank it’s very happy with. Opening postal banking is also a idea who’s time has come. Credit Unions, especially in our neck of the woods Tony, have some pretty good programs, especially in partnership with public & private funds to support small business.

For profit banks won’t get it done. They’re not wired to do this important work despite what they like to say in their advertisements.

[josh]

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/12/06/rochelle-walensky-mgh-cdc-biden

Walensky is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and a practicing infectious disease physician at Massachusetts General Hospital and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, according to an online biography. Also serving as chair of the Office of AIDS Research Advisory Council, Walensky’s bio details her nationally-recognized work promoting HIV screening in the U.S. and seeking effective strategies for HIV care in South Africa.

“Biden has chosen one of the most respected infectious disease docs in the world,” Jen Kates, a senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation, posted on Twitter Sunday afternoon in celebration of Walensky’s appointment. “She has a long history working on HIV and has, in the past year, become a tour de force in addressing COVID. She’ll take the helm of CDC at perhaps its most critical moment.”

The choice to name Walensky the CDC’s new director comes after a number of other doctors with ties to Massachusetts were tapped by Biden’s transition team to join his COVID-19 advisory board.

Biden announced Walensky and multiple other important health officials Monday, including former U.S. surgeon general and Brigham and Women’s hospitalist Dr. Vivek Murthy, who was also selected to serve on Biden’s advisory board.

“This team of world-class medical experts and public servants will be ready on day one to mobilize every resource of the federal government to expand testing and masking, oversee the safe, equitable, and free distribution of treatments and vaccines, re-open schools and businesses safely, lower prescription drug and other health costs and expand affordable health care to all Americans, and rally the country and restore the belief that there is nothing beyond America’s capacity if we do it together,” Biden said in the announcement.

[josh]

For contrast:

Brenda Fitzgerald seemed a reasonable choice to direct the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) but was forced to resign after Politico reported that she had bought shares in a tobacco company shortly after taking up her post.

...it should have been a moment of joyous relief when Robert Redfield was confirmed as the new director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Wednesday.
...
But Redfield has not escaped the controversy that has dogged other Trump-era appointees. In the mid-1990s, Redfield oversaw a clinical trial of an experimental HIV vaccine at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research. He was accused of manipulating data from the trial, “sloppy or, possibly, deceptive” data analysis, and overstating results in a number of talks and publications. After an investigation, the military cleared Redfield of misconduct charges, but as Jon Cohen reported for Science at the time, the Army never provided an explanation of how it reached its conclusions.

Despite clearing him, military investigators chastised Redfield for having a “close relationship” to a nonprofit called Americans for Sound AIDS/HIV Policy (ASAP) “to a degree that is inappropriate.” ASAP, now known as the Children’s AIDS Fund, was founded by evangelical Christians; it has championed abstinence-only education as a method of combating HIV and other approaches grounded more in religious belief than scientific evidence.

Redfield also has a history of supporting other contentious HIV-related policies. In 1985, he supported an unprecedentedly large program of mandatory HIV screening for the military—against the recommendations of the CDC and other health professionals. After testing positive, many recruits were barred from service, while several active soldiers were segregated, in breach of any patient confidentiality. “The reason we have done what we have done is that we think it’s good medicine,” Redfield told Laurie Garrett, the journalist who broke the news about the segregation, at the time.

For these reasons, Senator Patty Murray, the ranking member on the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, wrote a letter to the White House expressing concerns about Redfield’s appointment and that he has “taken no action to distance himself from those positions.” “What one wants in a director of the CDC is a scientist of impeccable scientific integrity,” added Peter Lurie from the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a consumer advocacy group. “What one would get in Robert Redfield is a sloppy scientist with a long history of scientific misconduct and an extreme religious agenda.”

[barton]

Meanwhile, being watched closely is this news out of India:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hundreds-ill-one-dead-after-unidentified-disease-hits-city-india-n1250199

This story has more information about a possible underlying cause:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/cause-of-mysterious-disease-in-andhra-pradeshs-eluru-remains-unknown-what-we-know-so-far/articleshow/79609472.cms

Pesticide spraying is possible, though that's something that's done fairly regularly for a long time, so it's hard to see how there would be this sudden onset of illness.  Sudden onset suggest some kind of accident, something spilled perhaps.  Given that it's India, I also thought of arsenic (India soils have huge amounts of arsenic from its use in cotton agriculture), but again that wouldn't just suddenly appear.  Arsenic-related health issues have been a problem there for decades.  I guess the other possibility is that someone sprayed a field really close to the town, used an unusual concentration, and windy weather took a cloud into housing areas. 

(when I first saw this, I thought please let this not be another novel virus, or a mutant strain of covid!)

[kidcarter8]

The refusal to admit publicly that Biden won has nothing to do with respecting the office of the president, let alone respecting the bot.


Sure it does

[kidcarter8]

“Biden has chosen one of the most respected infectious disease docs in the world,” Jen Kates, a senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation, posted on Twitter Sunday afternoon in celebration of Walensky’s appointment. “She has a long history working on HIV and has, in the past year, become a tour de force in addressing COVID. She’ll take the helm of CDC at perhaps its most critical moment.”



I dont doubt her credentials

But where has she been nationally the past 11 months?

[LarryBnDC]

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/528973-juan-williams-trump-is-feasting-on-a-dying-gop