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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

https://www.tmz.com/2020/09/15/cops-drag-man-from-school-board-meeting-refusing-wear-mask/

Reed was later seen running a red light,  bouncing an unbelted one year old on his lap,
 then entering a Taco Bell in his underpants,  proudly declaring his Constitutional liberties.   

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/us/connecticut-high-schools-black-latino-studies-trnd/index.html

Connecticut is the first state to require high schools to offer Black and Hispanic studies.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/opinions/13th-amendment-slavery-involuntary-servitude-joseph/index.html

I agree.

Agree with what?
The 13th Amendment in its entirety:


Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
...
But should people convicted of violating the individual rights of others be permitted to vote on the laws they showed no respect for?

Your question and post are bizarre.

(a) I agree that the 13th Amendment is flawed exactly in the clause you bolded.

(b) Thank you for explaining the 14th Amendment fruitlessly.

(c) Yes, except where their violations of law concern abuse of either their own right to vote or that of others, or otherwise interfere with elections. (This is not precise language, merely to give a sense of intent.)

I think there is a bunch of people vying on that (c) exclusion at the moment.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/10/south-dakota-susan-tjarks-coronavirus-newday-vpx.cnn

A town in SD passed a mask mandate.

How is that going?

[Hairy Lime]

But should people convicted of violating the individual rights of others be permitted to vote on the laws they showed no respect for?

On what basis should the punishment for a crime be perpetual, lasting after.the completion of a legally imposed sentence to the end of their lives? Just because someone once showed, for instance, no respect for the laws against theft does not mean they cannot call the cops when they are robbed.at gun point.

[bankshot1]

During a Hanukkah party at the White House Wednesday night, Trump told guests that with the help of "certain very important people -- if they have wisdom and if they have courage -- we're going to win this election." The crowd chanted "four more years."

While most Jews were thinking, "8 more nights" is too fucking long for this madman dictator to contaminate this country with his fascist dreams of unfettered rule.

[barton]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/10/south-dakota-susan-tjarks-coronavirus-newday-vpx.cnn

A town in SD passed a mask mandate.

How is that going?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/09/south-dakota-mitchell-covid-masks/

The anti-mask forces sat with naked faces, defying the mayor’s order. One by one, they got up to air their grievances. They wept. They swore. They cited junk science: Positivity defeats the virus. So does a healthy lifestyle, eating wild-caught sardines, pasture-raised beef liver and drinking raw organic kombucha. A young mother stood up and compared anti-maskers to Jews persecuted in the Holocaust: “The bare face is the new yellow star of Nazi Germany,” she said.... 

I saw part of a council meeting here,  where one of the dozens of antimaskers giving testimony,  insisted that Johns Hopkins dashboard was no longer reporting deaths because no one was actually dying of covid.   Jaw dropping stuff.   

[Yankguy1]

Submitted without comment other than one would think Trump could find better attorneys. "Ms. Powell" is no good.

[luee]

Trumpites and the liberal elites are united in their desire to open live schooling despite the dire consequences.

Your hogwash is bizarre.

No reason to have live classes and put everyone at risk until cv-19 is over? Trump and elites beg to differ.

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/opinions/13th-amendment-slavery-involuntary-servitude-joseph/index.html

I agree.

Agree with what?
The 13th Amendment in its entirety:


Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
...
But should people convicted of violating the individual rights of others be permitted to vote on the laws they showed no respect for?

Your question and post are bizarre.

(a) I agree that the 13th Amendment is flawed exactly in the clause you bolded.

What’s the flaw?

(b) Thank you for explaining the 14th Amendment fruitlessly.

What do you not understand?

(c) Yes, except where their violations of law concern abuse of either their own right to vote or that of others, or otherwise interfere with elections. (This is not precise language, merely to give a sense of intent.)

Say what?

I think there is a bunch of other people vying on that (c) exclusion at the moment.

You must be high on something.

[josh]

Trumpites and the liberal elites are united in their desire to open live schooling despite the dire consequences.

Your hogwash is bizarre.

No reason to have live classes and put everyone at risk until cv-19 is over? Trump and elites beg to differ.

It's your claim about "the liberal elites" that is bizarre, Luee. The GOP has been pushing to reopen schools all the way along. Few liberals have been so pushing, elite or otherwise.

[REDSTATEWARD]

But should people convicted of violating the individual rights of others be permitted to vote on the laws they showed no respect for?

On what basis should the punishment for a crime be perpetual, lasting after.the completion of a legally imposed sentence to the end of their lives? Just because someone once showed, for instance, no respect for the laws against theft does not mean they cannot call the cops when they are robbed.at gun point.

Nice bit of dancing there.
Voting rights, in most cases, are restored after prison time.

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/opinions/13th-amendment-slavery-involuntary-servitude-joseph/index.html

I agree.

Agree with what?
The 13th Amendment in its entirety:


Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


It was the 14th Amendment which extended the terms of Constitution to the states. Nearly a half century ago SCOTUS  interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment (section 2) as permitting the states to disenfranchise convicted criminals. It is the decision of each state to decide  and to enumerate the crimes that qualify, usually felonies.
Today most states permit felons to vote after they complete their sentences.
But should people convicted of violating the individual rights of others be permitted to vote on the laws they showed no respect for?

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Convict leasing system - black codes, Jim Crow etc.

Mass incarceration - war on drugs, James Crow, Esq.

[barton]

But should people convicted of violating the individual rights of others be permitted to vote on the laws they showed no respect for?

On what basis should the punishment for a crime be perpetual, lasting after.the completion of a legally imposed sentence to the end of their lives? Just because someone once showed, for instance, no respect for the laws against theft does not mean they cannot call the cops when they are robbed.at gun point.

Nice bit of dancing there.
Voting rights, in most cases, are restored after prison time.

You contradict yourself.   See your first quoted sentence to which Lime was responding. 
Since voting rights were not restored in Florida,  to fifty percent of ex-felons who had court fees outstanding, how do you justify that?   

[barton]

Luee,

The word liberal is defined as "tolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others, open to new ideas, " which means it describes a lot of Americans and means it cannot,  by definition, be an "elite. " 

Elites,  by their nature,  are conservative wrt to the status quo that fosters them,  and reject ideas and beliefs that pose a perceived threat.   So,  yes, people in academia could form an elite,  potentially.  Or wealthy people in extractive industries.  But once an attitude of elitism takes hold in some societal niche,  they are no longer in any way describable as liberal,  in the word's  actual meaning.