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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

Possible there are more actual comorbidities than thought.

If you are speculating on improper/an imbalance in treatment - then YOU need to come with more info.  Just the numbers arent enough.  What isnt being done for these folks that should?

Thanks.

Pazillion posts here in the past years detailing poor and fewer healthcare options,  more "food deserts" with less access to healthy foods,  more living in polluted areas near refineries etc,  more working in dangerous jobs,  more working in frontline jobs where exposure to a pandemic is greater,  etc.   So,  of course,  the rate of covid is higher for PoC.   

As you told someone here a day or two back,  do some research.

[facilitatorn]

The board is thick with the howls of a dying breed of troll today. Delicious agony, but truly empty calories.

[facilitatorn]

Red takes his drawing squirrel shots as a sign of interest in the subject of the poop he flings. How nice.

I hope in this new administration more of Red’s special needs will be met.

Red’s special needs are categorically different than his awful wants, which he often likes to post about here.

[REDSTATEWARD]

I think the "not this forum" argument isn't a winner - I know that I use this as the dumping ground for tons of non-Trump admin material.

The current school action has relevance, given what else is going on with name changes (Johns Hopkins is unlikely to change theirs, but they are (finally) being honest about their founder. The Cleveland not football Team is dealing with their name, sort of. Etc.)

And I think every city has the right to reconsider things upon either new items coming to light or old ones being viewed in a different light..

But more than anything, it reminds me why naming things after living people is such a risky proposition! Hard enough to get a clear picture of dead people...

A valid point.
But remember Feinstein was the first woman mayor of San Francisco and has been elected to SiX
terms as US Senator. The school was named after her just 14 years ago when her 1986 decision on the Confederate was hardly a secret then.
It is a well established slippery slope when we start looking for every flaw in every noted person to meet the ever changing standards of virtue signaling.

You’d be hard-pressed to find a leader of the 1960s civil rights movement who supported gay marriage or the rights of transgender people.

[josh]

Possible there are more actual comorbidities than thought.

If you are speculating on improper/an imbalance in treatment - then YOU need to come with more info.  Just the numbers arent enough.  What isnt being done for these folks that should?

Thanks.

There is more thought than comorbidities.

And there is, as ever, zero point in discussing racism with you or with Ward. No news.

[josh]

“What’s not legitimate is to overrule science,” he said.

Often, Mr. McGowan and Ms. Campbell mediated between Dr. Redfield and agency scientists when the White House’s requests and dictates would arrive: edits from Mr. Vought and Kellyanne Conway, the former White House adviser, on choirs and communion in faith communities, or suggestions from Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and aide, on schools.

Trump trashed a lot of gov't agencies -- CDC, EPA, Census Bureau, Post Office, etc. -- I hope there will be some accounting of the damage done.

What damage was done?

Nor about this.

[josh]

A valid point.

Gasp

But remember Feinstein was the first woman mayor of San Francisco and has been elected to SiX
terms as US Senator. The school was named after her just 14 years ago when her 1986 decision on the Confederate was hardly a secret then.
It is a well established slippery slope when we start looking for every flaw in every noted person to meet the ever changing standards of virtue signaling.

You’d be hard-pressed to find a leader of the 1960s civil rights movement who supported gay marriage or the rights of transgender people.

Her repeated actions wrt the Confederate was... known by some, but mostly just a non-issue then, for whatever reason. Nobody brought it up for years before or after the school naming. It started getting attention from the progressive side in the last election.

And never mind the 60s Civil Rights battles.. any and almost all progressive movements have blind spots, Ward. This isn't news to anybody here. Pick an area of bigotry and prejudice and you will find folks with that bent within the left.

It doesn't make us happy.

But the response on the left when that kind of oversight or hypocrisy is observed is more often to attempt to address it.

It's not as good as I would like, but it is better than I might fear.

And if the folks on the right did half as well in policing their own as the left does, the world would be a far better place.

[REDSTATEWARD]

A valid point.

Gasp

But remember Feinstein was the first woman mayor of San Francisco and has been elected to SiX
terms as US Senator. The school was named after her just 14 years ago when her 1986 decision on the Confederate was hardly a secret then.
It is a well established slippery slope when we start looking for every flaw in every noted person to meet the ever changing standards of virtue signaling.

You’d be hard-pressed to find a leader of the 1960s civil rights movement who supported gay marriage or the rights of transgender people.

Her repeated actions wrt the Confederate was... known by some, but mostly just a non-issue then, for whatever reason.

And you know this how?

Nobody brought it up for years before or after the school naming. It started getting attention from the progressive side in the last election.

You are digging yourself into a hole of stupidity. But keep digging.

And never mind the 60s Civil Rights battles.. any and almost all progressive movements have blind spots, Ward. This isn't news to anybody here. Pick an area of bigotry and prejudice and you will find folks with that bent within the left.

It doesn't make us happy.

But the response on the left when that kind of oversight or hypocrisy is observed is more often to attempt to address it.

Ah yes.  You are the divine power that tells us all how to live.

It's not as good as I would like, but it is better than I might fear.

And if the folks on the right did half as well in policing their own as the left does, the world would be a far better place.

LOL

[kidcarter8]

Pazillion posts here in the past years detailing poor and fewer healthcare options,  more "food deserts" with less access to healthy foods,  more living in polluted areas near refineries etc,  more working in dangerous jobs,  more working in frontline jobs where exposure to a pandemic is greater,  etc.   So,  of course,  the rate of covid is higher for PoC.   


So the actual COVID treatment has been fine.

Insinuation is that it hasnt

[josh]

In my best hushed David Attenborough voice:

"What the bigot is trying to explain is that nobody has the right to tell him that bigotry is wrong. If he and his buddies want to celebrate it whenever the liberals point out acts of prejudice and bigotry, that's their business."

[josh]

Pazillion posts here in the past years detailing poor and fewer healthcare options,  more "food deserts" with less access to healthy foods,  more living in polluted areas near refineries etc,  more working in dangerous jobs,  more working in frontline jobs where exposure to a pandemic is greater,  etc.   So,  of course,  the rate of covid is higher for PoC.   


So the actual COVID treatment has been fine.

Insinuation is that it hasnt

No, Covid-19 treatment hasn't been fine.

Let me make that a flat statement, since your ability to translate English to your native tongue is sometimes lacking.

[kidcarter8]

Yes - comparatively - the black and brown and yellow and red man to the white - yes - treatment has been the same.  I stand by that.

[josh]

Yes - comparatively - the black and brown and yellow and red man to the white - yes - treatment has been the same.  I stand by that.

We know.

You're wrong, but like I said, there is no point in trying to convince you that racism plays a major factor.

*shrugs*

You're a bigot and standing by it.

[josh]

Speaking of "standing by it," Kelly Loeffler is hoping that the 1/3rd of her party that is rational will not turn on her for trying to have it both ways, but neither with those deluded by Trump's rhetoric:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/politics/kelly-loeffler-electoral-college/index.html

She won't commit to not objecting on Jan 6th, but she won't commit to objecting. OTOH, she claims to have given it no thought, which, if true, should exclude her automatically.

And she also won't refer to the President-Elect as the President-Elect.

May it all come back to bite her.

[kidcarter8]

You (and others) haven't explained how COVID-19 treatment has been different for minorities - even given me a chance to change my thinking.  You have only stated how a number of societal differences make blacks less healthy.

Stale mate.

Peace.