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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.

No, that is not the sole reason why the deficit went up.

Maybe half comes from that. A third comes from payment on the national debt. Most of the rest of that is from the military - which means, in truth, that closer to 40% comes from the military, at least, because of how much of the national debt comes from the fraudulent war on Iraq and its lingering effects.

And the tax bill is also a factor, if a less visible one. Corporate tax revenue is down ~25%.

And while you are boasting about the increase in tax revenues, it's maybe ~1.3%. The deficit is up more than 3%.

Close examination of the budget suggests the tax cuts slowed the revenue increase, not strengthened it or caused it. Got to remember, growth in the economy was predicted well before the 2016 election!

[josh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOkFXPblLpU

All those folks angry at the so-called elites and how the South wasn't fighting about slavery have been had...

by a group of Southern elites.

[josh]

There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Not sure anyone ever said this

You're probably the only one.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trumps-team-issued-at-least-20-denials-of-contacts-with-russia-20170303-guprc6.html

Paul Manafort made that claim: "No, there are not. And you know, there's no basis to it."

Hope Hicks made that claim: "It never happened. There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign."

Trump, himself, avoided the flat declaration, simply uttering misleading crap, like if they (the Trump campaign) made these claims about the Democrats and the Russians/CIA, they'd be accused of conspiracy theories. He carefully avoided denying specifics.

Separately, there is Trump's position on his own connections to the Russians: "I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!"

This stands in stark contrast to what Eric and Donald, Jr. have had to say.
"We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia," said Junior.
"We don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia," said Eric on the funding of golf courses.

Lies, lies, lies.

[josh]

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Yeah.

The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 bans foreign nationals "from making expenditures to expressly advocate the election or defeat of a political candidate." If a US citizen assists in their doing that or participates with them in doing that, then both the foreign government and the citizen have likely broken the law.

It might also constitute fraud. It is a federal crime to conspire (collude!) with anyone, including a foreign government, to "deprive another of the intangible right of honest services." Interfering in the election might well fit that.

The RICO act is another area of possible violation.

No go here, Kiid.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about adoption issues.

May have been discussed

Irrelevant and there is no evidence to support that it did happen.

Trump Jr.: “We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children.”

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Yeah

Nothing routine about it.

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Promised?

That was why they were meeting, after all. (not adoption.)

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary.

Which may be why it is done all the time

Except that it isn't done all the time.

Have any instances not involving Trump in which a campaign has met with a foreign government's representative to receive dirt on their opponent in a presidential race?

Even one? (That still wouldn't prove it happens all the time, but I would be surprised by the one.)

Each defense has lasted.

No real need for any defense

In which case, Kiid, why did Trump and his peeps go to such trouble to hide what they did and to lie about it?

[facilitatorn]

Red sounds far dumber defending terrorist economic policies than he does the administration’s treasonous path to power.

The upside is we can move two or three asylum seeking families into his place when he flees to Russia. It will be a good start toward breathing patriotism back into this country.

[REDSTATEWARD]

The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.

The CBO said it.

Maybe half comes from that.

Maybe?  Is that accounting by you?

A third comes from payment on the national debt.

Did you send a  thank you note to Obama’s for raising the National Debt.?
Or were you asleep during his two terms?

  Most of the rest of that is from the military - which means, in truth, that closer to 40% comes from the military, at least, because of how much of the national debt comes from the fraudulent war on Iraq and its lingering effects.

Another thank you note is due Obama then for gutting our military. I guess you were also sleeping when Congress, on a bi-partisan vote, increased military spending.

And the tax bill is also a factor, if a less visible one. Corporate tax revenue is down ~25%.

Even more amazing that tax revenues( per the CBO) are up 8 per cent. Thanks for underscoring that fact.

And while you are boasting about the increase in tax revenues, it's maybe ~1.3%. The deficit is up more than 3%.

No, tax revenue is up 8 per cent.

Close examination of the budget suggests the tax cuts slowed the revenue increase, not strengthened it or caused it. Got to remember, growth in the economy was predicted well before the 2016 election!

Uh, try to get a grip. The democrats kept predicting growth in the economy since at least 2010.
And they steadily lost power in Congress AND in the States. With the GOP effort to cut taxes and rollback Obama’s anti-growth policies we now have a forecast of 3 per cent growth AND increased government revenue.

[josh]

The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.

The CBO said it.

No, Red, that's not what they said.

Why the fuck do you insist on lying about crap like this, Red, when it is so easy to see what they really said?! And your follow-up responses, rather than just admitting I am right, gloss over it.

SMH

Outlays in the first 10 months of fiscal year 2018 were $3,448 billion—up by $143 billion (or 4 percent) from the same period last year, CBO estimates.
In total, spending for the three largest mandatory programs increased by 4 percent ($59 billion)
     Outlays for Social Security benefits rose by $34 billion (or 4 percent)
     Medicare spending increased by $15 billion (or 3 percent) b
     Medicaid outlays rose by $10 billion
Outlays for net interest on the public debt increased by $48 billion (or 19 percent), partly because of a higher rate of inflation.
Spending for military programs of the Department of Defense rose by $28 billion (or 6 percent)

I said the "entitlements" were ~half of the increase. They were actually 44%. Oh, the horror. I described the public debt interest as about a third. 35.8% was the actual figure. I can live with that. I suggested that the military increase was another 1/6th. At only 5.9%, they were way less than my estimate.

You're pretty funny about Obama's increase to the debt followed by your comment about the military and the bipartisan vote.

Don't you ever actually think while you type your bullshit, Red?

Those budgets of Obama's? Guess who voted on them? Oh, right - those same "bi-partisan" congressmen and congresswomen, led by YOUR GOP. And now, these big increases have been voted in by... your GOP and YOUR President.

But you, with your Obama Derangement Syndrome keep trying to pin things on him while applauding the Fraud-in-Chief.

Go ahead and keep on lying to yourself and us. We'll keep pointing out the flaws in your ongoing manure-spreading.

[REDSTATEWARD]

The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.

The CBO said it.

No, Red, that's not what they said.

Why the fuck do you insist on lying about crap like this, Red, when it is so easy to see what they really said?! And your follow-up responses, rather than just admitting I am right, gloss over it.

SMH

Outlays in the first 10 months of fiscal year 2018 were $3,448 billion—up by $143 billion (or 4 percent) from the same period last year, CBO estimates.
In total, spending for the three largest mandatory programs increased by 4 percent ($59 billion)
     Outlays for Social Security benefits rose by $34 billion (or 4 percent)
     Medicare spending increased by $15 billion (or 3 percent) b
     Medicaid outlays rose by $10 billion
Outlays for net interest on the public debt increased by $48 billion (or 19 percent), partly because of a higher rate of inflation.
Spending for military programs of the Department of Defense rose by $28 billion (or 6 percent)

I said the "entitlements" were ~half of the increase. They were actually 44%. Oh, the horror. I described the public debt interest as about a third. 35.8% was the actual figure. I can live with that. I suggested that the military increase was another 1/6th. At only 5.9%, they were way less than my estimate.

The deficit grew by $116 Billion, Spending by $143 Billion, (thank you Medicare and Social Security.)
Tax Revenues, in the wake of tax Cuts! Grew 8 per cent to the HIGHEST level EVER
How do explain CUTTING taxes and Increasing revenues to the Federal Government. ?

Can you imagine where we would be without the 8 year wasteland of Obama and his anti-growth nonsense (see Larry Summers  and any article written by Paul Krugman).

How do you explain GDP growth Obama never achieved, record low unemployment, and increased tax collection# after we CUT taxes.

For all your protestations and insults you can’t.

[facilitatorn]

Without 8 years of Obama, we’d be hip deep in republican global depression v2, in or on our way to WWIII.

Try using your head for something besides holding up your mullet.

[LarryBnDC]

Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter

Black Likes Matter voters?  Is that a thing, Cable Guy?

It sure is!

[NeedsAdjustments]

The deficit grew by $116 Billion, Spending by $143 Billion, (thank you Medicare and Social Security.)
Tax Revenues, in the wake of tax Cuts! Grew 8 per cent to the HIGHEST level EVER
How do explain CUTTING taxes and Increasing revenues to the Federal Government. ?

Can you imagine where we would be without the 8 year wasteland of Obama and his anti-growth nonsense (see Larry Summers  and any article written by Paul Krugman).

How do you explain GDP growth Obama never achieved, record low unemployment, and increased tax collection# after we CUT taxes.

For all your protestations and insults you can’t.

A few facts here:  of course tax revenues went up. They always do in a growing economy ie. when we aren’t in a recession. Even when taxes are cut. Revenues would be much higher without tax cuts, and would go further to cover the natural increase in government spending that also comes with a growing economy and population. Hence, why that same CBO is projecting large increases in the deficit.

It was pointed out to you weeks ago that revenues from corporate taxes were down. To that your response was, essentially, “no duh .”  But now you change your argument because you think it trolls the libs, or you read a factoid in the WSJ...you can’t argue with any consistency because you simply don’t have any idea what you are talking about. Just like yesterday you demonstrated you don’t know what real wages are.

It has been pointed out to you repeatedly that the Obama economy did achieve GDP growth that was as high or higher than recent quarters. Almost twenty quarters with. Yet you ignore that fact and continue with your talking points unfazed. Do you think you are convincing anyone?

Job growth was higher the last 18 months of Obama’s administration than the first 18 months of Trumps. “Record low unemployment “ (it isn’t, but moving on) is a continuation of the trends Obama left his replacement. Not a change in those trends.

And I’ll leave you with this after you exposed your ignorance yesterday:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/1028011131049332736

Of course nothing in the above is actually stunning. It’s by design, while Republicans were lying telling everyone how high their salary was going to go, like that was the point of the tax cuts. A party of conmen.

We’ll see how that works out for them in November.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter

Black Likes Matter voters?  Is that a thing, Cable Guy?

It sure is!

Using the Constitutional rights one is given at birth is the most effective means for creating the change you want to see.

[REDSTATEWARD]

The deficit grew by $116 Billion, Spending by $143 Billion, (thank you Medicare and Social Security.)
Tax Revenues, in the wake of tax Cuts! Grew 8 per cent to the HIGHEST level EVER
How do explain CUTTING taxes and Increasing revenues to the Federal Government. ?

Can you imagine where we would be without the 8 year wasteland of Obama and his anti-growth nonsense (see Larry Summers  and any article written by Paul Krugman).

How do you explain GDP growth Obama never achieved, record low unemployment, and increased tax collection# after we CUT taxes.

For all your protestations and insults you can’t.

A few facts here:  of course tax revenues went up. They always do in a growing economy

Glory be!

It was pointed out to you weeks ago that revenues from corporate taxes were down. To that your response was, essentially, “no duh .”  But now you change your argument because you think it trolls the libs, or you read a factoid in the WSJ...you can’t argue with any consistency because you simply don’t have any idea what you are talking about.

I never mentioned Corporate Tax Rates. I only mentioned that tax revenues, in toto, are up over last year before the cuts. But thank you for brining it up and underscoring the obvious.

[Yankguy1]

All these years that Red has  here "teaching" has clearly prevented him from taking 30 seconds to learn simple formatting.

[Hamilton Samuels]

All these years that Red has  here "teaching" has clearly prevented him from taking 30 seconds to learn simple formatting.

Formatting is for liberal snowflake witch hunters!

 Excuse me while I get back to my text massages!