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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2595 on: September 15, 2018, 08:42:51 AM »

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/pompeo-kerry-iran/index.html

I am not a fan of Kerry's, in general. Nor of his talking about foreign policy with his former peers.

But Pompeo's claims that this was unprecedented are hilarious!

He was a hero standing up to LBJ and his war that nobody wanted but now he has turned into a bland dick barely better than HRC who was one of the worst in recent memory. At least he did not have any wake me in the morning it can wait moments. But yes he likes Ayatollahs and moderate jihadi rebels.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2596 on: September 15, 2018, 10:01:38 AM »

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fema-director-faces-investigation-inconvenient-time?cid=sm_fb_maddow

The unethical GOP continues to try to prevent people from voting to increase its chances of winning.



Why else would you do it? 

Joe Kennedy says hello.

(think you may have the wrong link there, by the way)

Joe Sr?  Had a stroke in 1961 and was aphasic after that.   If you're referencing the 1960 rigging,  the most likely suspect then was Mayor Daley.   Might have given Nixon a few extra electoral votes if Daley's fraud had been proven,  but JFK would still have won.

What do you think Joe's shenanigans were?   Aside from bootlegging and lobotomising rosemary?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2597 on: September 15, 2018, 10:40:57 AM »

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fema-director-faces-investigation-inconvenient-time?cid=sm_fb_maddow

The unethical GOP continues to try to prevent people from voting to increase its chances of winning.



Why else would you do it? 

Joe Kennedy says hello.

(think you may have the wrong link there, by the way)

Joe Sr?  Had a stroke in 1961 and was aphasic after that.   If you're referencing the 1960 rigging,  the most likely suspect then was Mayor Daley.   Might have given Nixon a few extra electoral votes if Daley's fraud had been proven,  but JFK would still have won.

What do you think Joe's shenanigans were?   Aside from bootlegging and lobotomising rosemary?

Reportedly Joe Sr. knew his way around, up and down Wall St. and was an adroit trader, who profited from manipulating stocks. His skill was so reknowned that after the Wall St crash, which he profited from by having shorted the market, FDR named him the first head of the SEC as he knew almost every trick in the book.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2598 on: September 15, 2018, 10:48:29 AM »

He also developed a reputation for being involved in bootlegging.  And while that was completely untrue, it helped establish Prohibition-era bona fides
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2599 on: September 15, 2018, 10:49:36 AM »

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fema-director-faces-investigation-inconvenient-time?cid=sm_fb_maddow

The unethical GOP continues to try to prevent people from voting to increase its chances of winning.



Why else would you do it? 

Joe Kennedy says hello.

(think you may have the wrong link there, by the way)

Joe Sr?  Had a stroke in 1961 and was aphasic after that.   If you're referencing the 1960 rigging,  the most likely suspect then was Mayor Daley.   Might have given Nixon a few extra electoral votes if Daley's fraud had been proven,  but JFK would still have won.

What do you think Joe's shenanigans were?   Aside from bootlegging and lobotomising rosemary?

Reportedly Joe Sr. knew his way around, up and down Wall St. and was an adroit trader, who profited from manipulating stocks. His skill was so reknowned that after the Wall St crash, which he profited from by having shorted the market, FDR named him the first head of the SEC as he knew almost every trick in the book.
True, but irrelevant to kid's point, as facts usually are.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2600 on: September 15, 2018, 11:09:21 AM »

I was addressing Bart's question. I don't pay much attention, give serious consideration to, or click kid's naked twitter posts, as when I did I found they were generally irrelevant hysterically partisan gibberish which usually proved to be pointless to the issue at hand.
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« Reply #2602 on: September 15, 2018, 01:15:10 PM »

Shit you don't want to hear:

In the 1980s, as a young black male living in Los Angeles, I belonged to a gang, wore its colors, and protected its turf. So many of my friends were getting killed that I attended funerals weekly. It became devastating. Now, when I hear some people say that once a person joins a gang, they can't get out, I know it's not true - it can be done.

I have tried to give back to my community as a counselor of teens and young men in several U.S. cities. The dysfunctional social and cultural norms are the biggest problems to tackle. Machismo can be transformed into a positive sense of pride in one's body, reinforced through healthy nutrition and exercise. The sense of hopelessness, animated by attendance at funerals of one's relatives and friends, can be transmuted into a sense of anger and "enough is enough" sentiment to take responsibility for one's destiny. 

Based upon my discussions with D.C. public school teachers and their peers in other cities, I am convinced that improper dress, particularly showing off one's underwear, is more than just a wrong aesthetic choice; it manifests a lack of self-respect. If we disrespect ourselves, we cannot gain the respect of others.

But none of this would work without a major effort by the black leadership to abandon the blame game and dedicate themselves to helping their communities. Having community leaders live in the inner cities, rather than the suburbs, would be a good start. Trust in police would be enhanced if they lived amongst the people they protect. Black pastors would be more effective if they lived among their parishioners and expanded their churches' outreach to young males on the streets.


http://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/406077-its-on-us-to-end-black-on-black-crime-hopelessness
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2603 on: September 15, 2018, 01:35:23 PM »

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/fema-director-faces-investigation-inconvenient-time?cid=sm_fb_maddow

The unethical GOP continues to try to prevent people from voting to increase its chances of winning.



Why else would you do it? 

Joe Kennedy says hello.

(think you may have the wrong link there, by the way)

Yes, I have the wrong link.
http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/sl-polling-place-close-ahead-of-november-elections-black-voters.html

You asked the wrong question. It's not, "Why else would you do it?" but rather, "Why, if you believe in our government, would you ever do it?"

You have an example of Joe Kennedy's attempting to suppress votes, Kiid? Senior, Junior, or III?! Bring it on. I would be happy to pile on Joe III if he did such a thing, but I doubt he did.

And you still haven't learned: I despise voter suppression models that rely on either deceit or blocking the ability of citizens to vote. I don't care who did it --> but if you have even ONE instance of Democrats voting to close polling places to cut down on the number of GOP voters who can make it to the poll in the last 80 years, I would be very surprised.

Got any?

See me not holding my breath.

Kiid, I left the Democratic party decades ago when I learned first hand about the deceit that they were guilty of - losing a job because I pointed out the deceit. I know from direct person experience the dirty tricks that both parties are capable of. I know the collection of dead people's "signatures" for getting on the ballot used to be a commonplace thing. And the politics of destruction are well known.

I give a damn about the transgressions by the party that I have recently reluctantly rejoined. As far as I can tell, you celebrate your party's transgressions.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2604 on: September 15, 2018, 02:30:49 PM »

Shit you don't want to hear:

In the 1980s, as a young black male living in Los Angeles, I belonged to a gang, wore its colors, and protected its turf. So many of my friends were getting killed that I attended funerals weekly. It became devastating. Now, when I hear some people say that once a person joins a gang, they can't get out, I know it's not true - it can be done.

I have tried to give back to my community as a counselor of teens and young men in several U.S. cities. The dysfunctional social and cultural norms are the biggest problems to tackle. Machismo can be transformed into a positive sense of pride in one's body, reinforced through healthy nutrition and exercise. The sense of hopelessness, animated by attendance at funerals of one's relatives and friends, can be transmuted into a sense of anger and "enough is enough" sentiment to take responsibility for one's destiny. 

Based upon my discussions with D.C. public school teachers and their peers in other cities, I am convinced that improper dress, particularly showing off one's underwear, is more than just a wrong aesthetic choice; it manifests a lack of self-respect. If we disrespect ourselves, we cannot gain the respect of others.

But none of this would work without a major effort by the black leadership to abandon the blame game and dedicate themselves to helping their communities. Having community leaders live in the inner cities, rather than the suburbs, would be a good start. Trust in police would be enhanced if they lived amongst the people they protect. Black pastors would be more effective if they lived among their parishioners and expanded their churches' outreach to young males on the streets.


http://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/406077-its-on-us-to-end-black-on-black-crime-hopelessness

It's pretty wry, Utley.

You hide your racism better than Kiid and Redd do, but certain topics bring it out almost as surely as a win by a Boston sports team brings out your anti-Boston rhetoric.

In this case, I posted an article about ripple effects from police shootings. You felt compelled to bring out an article about black-on-black violence. Has nothing to do with what I presented, but it let you drum your same old tune.

But you are just as clueless as Kiid is when it comes to your obsessions. This is one of those times.



VIolence in our cities is a major problem. Violence committed by blacks, violence done to blacks. Violence done by whites and to whites. And violence to every other racial group and by every other racial group.

What Greg Raleigh and you don't seem to understand is that it is not a problem that can be solved solely by the African-American community by itself because it is not a problem caused solely by the African-America community. Would that it were that simple.

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Lead poisoning is harmful to humans in bunches of ways. And, unsurprisingly in hindsight, the creation of leaded gas was followed, 16 years later, with a rise in violence. With the phasing out of leaded gas, a drop in violence. But phasing out of the gas doesn't mean lead is gone, merely that that source of it is gone. The pipes still have lead in them in far too many places, mostly cities and mostly in the poorer neighborhoods.

Where do we see lead poisoning? Funny you should ask:
New York City.
Chicago, with more risk areas than NYC on a percentage basis.

LA is not as bad, about half the percentage of Chicago's risk areas. Neither is Miami, with a 10th of NYC's or a 6th of LA's.

Lead isn't the only factor. We know other pollutants have a reductive effect on cognitive capacity. We also know that the areas with greater pollutants in the air are racially imbalanced, sometimes by seeming happenstance, but other times blatantly intentionally, as with East St. Louis.

We are also learning about the epigenetics of poverty, seeing that poverty can increase the vulnerability to both some kinds of mental illness and to addiction.

Add in poorer educational opportunities, fewer job opportunities, population density, and systemic racism. None of those are within the control of the inner city residents. Unfulfilled promises*, short-sighted political programs*, drug policies*, and so much more can get added to the mix. Gangs come as a response to conditions*. They don't spring up so readily where the youth feel served and supported.

It's a massive problem without simple short term solutions. Leadership is needful, but part of what that leadership must do is be educated about the full situation. Greg Raleigh has seen the surface of the problem. He needs to look deeper at it.

*From LBJ through Nixon to Bill Clinton, as well as before and after them, and from Model Cities to the War on Drugs, our presidents and our Congresses have failed the inner cities. Some of it was well-meaning, like Model Cities or even the mandatory sentencing. Some of it, like the War on Drugs, were mean-spirited at best and evil in all likelihood. But their impact has been to leave a dispirited kind of learned helplessness for some of the adults in these communities, which makes them even less capable of building the resilience these places need.
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« Reply #2605 on: September 15, 2018, 02:41:00 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/14/myrtle-beach-poorest-evacuating-costly-hurricane-florence

What poverty means when confronted with a storm like Florence.   I wonder what political party the landlord mentioned in the article belongs to.  He boards up just the windows on his own unit,  and then leaves the rest of the complex to fend for itself.   I mean,  wow.   

Regarding black bootstrap tugging... Josh points out some aspects that that nice (Utley quoted,  prev.  page)  pep talk won't fix.   I would add that gangs,  terrible as they are,  are a response to urban government and law enforcement which has caused a lack of trust in marginalized communities in said governance and policing.   Ethnic groups subject to bigotry and abuse,  including Italians,  Irish,  Latinos,  have all formed gang subcultures when they fear a more powerful ruling class.  We are all part of the solution,  if there is to be one.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2607 on: September 15, 2018, 03:06:00 PM »

LEAD makes you wear your underwear out

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« Reply #2608 on: September 15, 2018, 03:11:43 PM »

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« Reply #2609 on: September 15, 2018, 03:29:35 PM »

Kid is Benjamin Button of this Board.
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