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What will be the outcome of the Kavanaugh investigation and his Appointment

The FBI will find sufficient evidence that the nomination will end (whether he withdraws or is withdrawn).
- 1 (12.5%)
The FBI will find evidence, but Kavanaugh will be appointed regardless.
- 1 (12.5%)
The FBI will find evidence and Kavanaugh will lose in the Senate vote.
- 3 (37.5%)
The FBI will find nothing substantial to report.
- 3 (37.5%)
The FBI will find evidence of a conspiracy against Kavanaugh/Trump and charges will be filed.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: October 05, 2018, 07:38:36 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2760 on: September 18, 2018, 07:37:40 PM »

Of course the GOP is standing up to it.

Why is it a given that they “stand up” to the allegations by denouncing them as made-up and/or politically motivated, when they don’t have any idea that this is the case?

Why can’t they say “These are serious allegations that need to be considered if true, but they do not match-up to the character of the Judge Kavanaugh we know.” 

The “every man should be scared” angle is absurd and has been justly lampooned.  As has the direction of empathy (demonstrated by Trump himself) to be with Kavanaugh.  You feel sorry for him?  Even if its found credible that he tried to commit a rape?

Ok, in Trump’s case we know the answer to that…but why should we assume all Republicans are similarly lacking in moral character?

No need to assume, regardless.

They are insisting on proving the point.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2761 on: September 18, 2018, 07:38:03 PM »

Her lawyer is calling it attempted rape.
Saying that he was too inebriated to be successful.

Things are so charged with partisan strife right now that I truly don't know what to think, but I do know there's something really wrong when the admin doesn't have the FBI look into this.     

The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported.
They do, however, vet Supreme Court nominees. As you know.
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What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
Well there are two parties, a witness, and notes.indicating Ford talked to her therapist in detail about the event six years before any motivation to fabricate arose. Tbat would be a starting point.
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We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.
You act as if investigations into similar circumstances are not routine. They are. It is not a question of he said/ She said, but of using normal methods of determining credibility.  Like discussing the matter with someone when there was no motive to fabricate.

I hope your party continues to use those implied air quotes in discussing the situation. You are already underwater with suburban women. Wonder how low that number can go.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2762 on: September 18, 2018, 07:39:09 PM »

Her lawyer is calling it attempted rape.l
Saying that he was too inebriated to be successful.

Things are so charged with partisan strife right now that I truly don't know what to think, but I do know there's something really wrong when the admin doesn't have the FBI look into this.     

The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported.
What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.

Oh, please. Have you ever been the subject or an interviewee of an FBI background check?
The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported.
What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.

You can repeat your bullshit all you want. This is not a case for a court of law, this is the equivalent of an investigation for a security clearance. This is not an exercise in a prosecution so drop your ersatz “legalese” and find a different tack. Sorry you got the wrong set of talking points today.
No. I have the exactly correct talking points which you just verified.
Thanks.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2763 on: September 18, 2018, 07:41:40 PM »

Her lawyer is calling it attempted rape.
Saying that he was too inebriated to be successful.

Things are so charged with partisan strife right now that I truly don't know what to think, but I do know there's something really wrong when the admin doesn't have the FBI look into this.     

The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported.
What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.

Actually, yes, the FBI investigates allegations that were never previously reported. So sad, Red.

I already answered what they are supposed to investigate - but fortunately, since I said that it turns out that Mark Judge, the alleged alibi, has previously provided a ton of evidence to support the allegations. Just as "Bart O'Kavanaugh!"
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2764 on: September 18, 2018, 07:43:22 PM »

Her lawyer is calling it attempted rape.
Saying that he was too inebriated to be successful.

Things are so charged with partisan strife right now that I truly don't know what to think, but I do know there's something really wrong when the admin doesn't have the FBI look into this.     

The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported.
What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.

Oh, please. Have you ever been the subject or an interviewee of an FBI background check?
The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported.
What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.



Actually, yes, the FBI investigates allegations that were never previously reported. So sad, Red.

I already answered what they are supposed to investigate - but fortunately, since I said that it turns out that Mark Judge, the alleged alibi, has previously provided a ton of evidence to support the allegations. Just as "Bart O'Kavanaugh!"

(Gee, such a clever device, repeating what you just said as if it actually responds to anything, Red. You must be soooo proud!)
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2765 on: September 18, 2018, 07:46:26 PM »

So....

what do we all think?

Is Kavanaugh toast?

I didn't think so. I was pretty sure that the combination of lack of witnesses to support her story and his having the supposed nd guy there say no such thing happened ever - not even anything consensual with this woman - was going to take care of it for him.

Then I read this:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-high-school/index.html

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Judge wrote the book "Wasted: Tales of a Gen X Drunk," where he details his experiences of extensive drinking while attending Georgetown Preparatory School.

Judge writes that he is "shocked" about what he got away with in high school -- recalling beach parties that hundreds of people would attend.

At another point he describes his high school as "positively swimming in alcohol."

Judge also references a "Bart O'Kavanaugh," who he writes vomited in someone's car. It has not been confirmed whether this is a reference to Kavanaugh.

And this:
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In 2015, Judge writes in Splice Today about what he calls "damseling," which he describes as "making a woman a passive damsel in distress who needs rescuing."

"Of course, a man must be able to read a woman's signals, and it's a good thing that feminism is teaching young men that no means no and yes means yes. But there's also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he'll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion," he wrote.

I think Kavanaugh is toast.

I think if they let Mark Judge speak to the Senate Judiciary Committee, he is burnt toast.

A blackout drunk who wrote that kind of stuff and was Kavanaugh's "alibi" and wingman? Burn toast with a picture of Elvis on it.

Could be

The yearbook sure doesnt work in his favor.

If a new appointee is needed we will see if Dems were being honest in their just worrying about Roe v Wade

Likely not.

They likely go after the new nominee just as hard.
The "new nominee" will more than likely look just as unfavorably at Roe v. Wade.

heh

In your eyes? I am sure
Heh? Do you actually believe that Trump would choose somebody not dedicated to getting rid of Roe v. Wade?

Yep.

Not saying it wouldnt happen.  Folks that lobby for stuff can be powerful.  And it IS - I will give you that -  an issue with a close split.

But no - not as a means to an end.  Kavanaugh isnt that either.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2766 on: September 18, 2018, 07:51:01 PM »

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I hope your party continues to use those implied air quotes in discussing the situation. You are already underwater with suburban women. Wonder how low that number can go.   

The air quotes and the "only one complainant."  Wow.   I'm really going to enjoy "Bart" getting grilled on Monday.   
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« Reply #2767 on: September 18, 2018, 08:03:13 PM »

So....

what do we all think?

Is Kavanaugh toast?

I didn't think so. I was pretty sure that the combination of lack of witnesses to support her story and his having the supposed nd guy there say no such thing happened ever - not even anything consensual with this woman - was going to take care of it for him.

Then I read this:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-high-school/index.html

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Judge wrote the book "Wasted: Tales of a Gen X Drunk," where he details his experiences of extensive drinking while attending Georgetown Preparatory School.

Judge writes that he is "shocked" about what he got away with in high school -- recalling beach parties that hundreds of people would attend.

At another point he describes his high school as "positively swimming in alcohol."

Judge also references a "Bart O'Kavanaugh," who he writes vomited in someone's car. It has not been confirmed whether this is a reference to Kavanaugh.

And this:
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In 2015, Judge writes in Splice Today about what he calls "damseling," which he describes as "making a woman a passive damsel in distress who needs rescuing."

"Of course, a man must be able to read a woman's signals, and it's a good thing that feminism is teaching young men that no means no and yes means yes. But there's also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he'll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion," he wrote.

I think Kavanaugh is toast.

I think if they let Mark Judge speak to the Senate Judiciary Committee, he is burnt toast.

A blackout drunk who wrote that kind of stuff and was Kavanaugh's "alibi" and wingman? Burn toast with a picture of Elvis on it.

Could be

The yearbook sure doesnt work in his favor.

If a new appointee is needed we will see if Dems were being honest in their just worrying about Roe v Wade

Likely not.

They likely go after the new nominee just as hard.
The "new nominee" will more than likely look just as unfavorably at Roe v. Wade.

heh

In your eyes? I am sure
Heh? Do you actually believe that Trump would choose somebody not dedicated to getting rid of Roe v. Wade?

Yep.

Not saying it wouldnt happen.  Folks that lobby for stuff can be powerful.  And it IS - I will give you that -  an issue with a close split.

But no - not as a means to an end.  Kavanaugh isnt that either.

Given his prior rulings in the topic, I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Yeah, it's your party's talking points, but that's all it is.
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« Reply #2768 on: September 18, 2018, 08:18:47 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/ford-letter-fbi/index.html

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In a letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley of Iowa, and obtained by CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360," Christine Blasey Ford's attorneys argue that "a full investigation by law enforcement officials will ensure that the crucial facts and witnesses in this matter are assessed in a non-partisan manner, and that the Committee is fully informed before conducting any hearing or making any decisions."

The letter from Ford's lawyers notes that despite receiving a "stunning amount of support from her community," Ford has also "been the target of vicious harassment and even death threats" and has been forced to leave her home.

"We would welcome the opportunity to talk with you and Ranking Member Feinstein to discuss reasonable steps as to how Dr. Ford can cooperate while also taking care of her own health and security," the letter from Ford's lawyers said.

"What we're saying is there should be an investigation because that's the right thing to do," Ford's attorney Lisa Banks told Cooper.

Granting Kiid's and Red's GOP talking points that there would be nothing for the FBI to find, just for the sake of the discussion, what would the loss be were the FBI allowed to actually do the investigation?

What's the risk?

Only one, for the GOP: That they find something.

And that is what the GOP and President Trump fear.
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« Reply #2769 on: September 18, 2018, 08:25:59 PM »

So....

what do we all think?

Is Kavanaugh toast?

I didn't think so. I was pretty sure that the combination of lack of witnesses to support her story and his having the supposed nd guy there say no such thing happened ever - not even anything consensual with this woman - was going to take care of it for him.

Then I read this:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/17/politics/mark-judge-brett-kavanaugh-high-school/index.html

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Judge wrote the book "Wasted: Tales of a Gen X Drunk," where he details his experiences of extensive drinking while attending Georgetown Preparatory School.

Judge writes that he is "shocked" about what he got away with in high school -- recalling beach parties that hundreds of people would attend.

At another point he describes his high school as "positively swimming in alcohol."

Judge also references a "Bart O'Kavanaugh," who he writes vomited in someone's car. It has not been confirmed whether this is a reference to Kavanaugh.

And this:
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In 2015, Judge writes in Splice Today about what he calls "damseling," which he describes as "making a woman a passive damsel in distress who needs rescuing."

"Of course, a man must be able to read a woman's signals, and it's a good thing that feminism is teaching young men that no means no and yes means yes. But there's also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he'll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion," he wrote.

I think Kavanaugh is toast.

I think if they let Mark Judge speak to the Senate Judiciary Committee, he is burnt toast.

A blackout drunk who wrote that kind of stuff and was Kavanaugh's "alibi" and wingman? Burn toast with a picture of Elvis on it.

Could be

The yearbook sure doesnt work in his favor.

If a new appointee is needed we will see if Dems were being honest in their just worrying about Roe v Wade

Likely not.

They likely go after the new nominee just as hard.
The "new nominee" will more than likely look just as unfavorably at Roe v. Wade.

heh

In your eyes? I am sure
Heh? Do you actually believe that Trump would choose somebody not dedicated to getting rid of Roe v. Wade?

Yep.

Not saying it wouldnt happen.  Folks that lobby for stuff can be powerful.  And it IS - I will give you that -  an issue with a close split.

But no - not as a means to an end.  Kavanaugh isnt that either.
I have no idea what this means so I guess you're right.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2770 on: September 18, 2018, 08:48:06 PM »

Her lawyer is calling it attempted rape.
Saying that he was too inebriated to be successful.
Things are so charged with partisan strife right now that I truly don't know what to think, but I do know there's something really wrong when the admin doesn't have the FBI look into this.     

The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported. They do, however, vet Supreme Court nominees. As you know.
Of course. Which has nothing to do with investigating reported crimes of rape.
As you know
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What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
Well there are two parties, a witness, and notes.indicating Ford talked to her therapist in detail about the event six years before any motivation to fabricate arose. Tbat would be a starting point.
Notes? Notes from whom?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.
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You act as if investigations into similar circumstances are not routine. They are. It is not a question of he said/ She said, but of using normal methods of determining credibility.  Like discussing the matter with someone when there was no motive to fabricate.
I hope your party continues to use those implied air quotes in discussing the situation. You are already underwater with suburban women. Wonder how low that number can go.
As we just learned Mrs. Ford won’t testify next week until an FBI investigation is completed.
Her intentions are now clear. Delay Kavanaugh a seat on SCOTUS until after the mid-terms.
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« Reply #2771 on: September 18, 2018, 09:05:58 PM »

Her lawyer is calling it attempted rape.
Saying that he was too inebriated to be successful.
Things are so charged with partisan strife right now that I truly don't know what to think, but I do know there's something really wrong when the admin doesn't have the FBI look into this.     

The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported. They do, however, vet Supreme Court nominees. As you know.
Of course. Which has nothing to do with investigating reported crimes of rape.
As you know
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What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
Well there are two parties, a witness, and notes.indicating Ford talked to her therapist in detail about the event six years before any motivation to fabricate arose. Tbat would be a starting point.
Notes? Notes from whom?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.
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You act as if investigations into similar circumstances are not routine. They are. It is not a question of he said/ She said, but of using normal methods of determining credibility.  Like discussing the matter with someone when there was no motive to fabricate.
I hope your party continues to use those implied air quotes in discussing the situation. You are already underwater with suburban women. Wonder how low that number can go.
As we just learned Mrs. Ford won’t testify next week until an FBI investigation is completed.
Her intentions are now clear. Delay Kavanaugh a seat on SCOTUS until after the mid-terms.

Would have already been underway had the President okayed it and the vote done before midterms.

His intentions are now clear. Protect Kavanaugh.

Your intentions are equally clear. Misrepresent things any way you can.
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« Reply #2772 on: September 18, 2018, 09:10:20 PM »

Her lawyer is calling it attempted rape.
Saying that he was too inebriated to be successful.
Things are so charged with partisan strife right now that I truly don't know what to think, but I do know there's something really wrong when the admin doesn't have the FBI look into this.     

The FBI is not an investigative body into alleged state crimes that were never reported. They do, however, vet Supreme Court nominees. As you know.
Of course. Which has nothing to do with investigating reported crimes of rape.
As you know
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What is the FBI supposed to “ investigate” 36 years after a “ event” that has only one complainant?
Well there are two parties, a witness, and notes.indicating Ford talked to her therapist in detail about the event six years before any motivation to fabricate arose. Tbat would be a starting point.
Notes? Notes from whom?
We have an account from one person with scant details strongly denied by her alleged “ attacker” and a third party who says there was no such “ event”.  The only “ corroborating “ evidence comes from the alleged “ victim” contained in notes by a marriage counselor dictated by the “ victim”.
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You act as if investigations into similar circumstances are not routine. They are. It is not a question of he said/ She said, but of using normal methods of determining credibility.  Like discussing the matter with someone when there was no motive to fabricate.
I hope your party continues to use those implied air quotes in discussing the situation. You are already underwater with suburban women. Wonder how low that number can go.
As we just learned Mrs. Ford won’t testify next week until an FBI investigation is completed.
Her intentions are now clear. Delay Kavanaugh a seat on SCOTUS until after the mid-terms.

Nah, her intentions are to have the investigation go forward before she goes before the committee so Orin Hatch doesn’t act the fool at her hearing.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #2773 on: September 18, 2018, 09:13:49 PM »

Diane Feinstein
I can’t say everything is truthful
 

Debra Katz, the attorney for the woman accusing Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault:
is not her client’s job to corroborate her claims.



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« Reply #2774 on: September 18, 2018, 09:15:16 PM »

Diane Feinstein:
(I)
I can’t say everything is truthful
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Debra Katz, the attorney for the woman accusing Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault:
( i )it is not her client’s job to corroborate her claims.(/i)





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