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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

Prolly want a cracker?

https://thehill.com/media/412072-wapo-fact-checker-warren-dna-test-bungled-by-media

From the “ fact checker’s “ story.(you must not have read all the way to the end)

An associate professor at the University of Alberta, Kim TallBear, told the Post that the “very desire to locate a claim to Native American identity in a DNA marker inherited from a long-ago ancestor is a settler-colonial racial understanding of what it is to be Native American.”

From the official Cherokee Nation release

A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

[bankshot1]

Sen Warren used modern technology to check whether the oral history of her family, as told to her was credible.

She claimed no citizenship in Cherokee Nation, nor did she claim to be a Native-American.

She has some proof that Grandma Warren was not full of shit, just as we have certain indisputable proof that, that is the only substance which Red is full of.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Pow Wow Chow Cookbook
Circa 1984



https://web.archive.org/web/20171130180634/https://imgur.com/ACUgz

[kiidcarter8]

It would be nice to see folks here care more for Indian affairs when they do not pertain to winning elections.

Yeah, I know - I wont hold my breath.

[FlyingVProd]

Back when George W. Bush first got elected as President, he wanted to bring us together in the Western Hemisphere, from the top of Alaska to the bottom of Chile, and W's first trip as President was to visit President Fox of Mexico. W was also the first President to visit Peru, and he visited Colombia a few times, and other nations here in the Western Hemisphere. Bush spoke about how we had some of the poorest people in the world right here in our own backyard, and he wanted to improve relations and trade here in the Western Hemisphere to help to pull people out of poverty, and Bush spoke about how we could all rise together, as we help our neighbors we too rise as we have better trade partners, and better allies. (You can never go wrong by strengthening your allies.)

Then 9/11 happened, and everything changed, and the focus and the money all went to the Middle East. George W. Bush went from focusing on the Western Hemisphere, to focusing on the Middle East, and terrorism, etc. 

The focus never really went back to the Western Hemisphere. And now we have a President who hates the Mexicans, he does not have anything good to say about Mexico, and he does not seem to be interested in improving relations here in the Western Hemisphere, he is making relations worse not better. 

(Here is a link about when Mexicans came to help the people of the USA after Hurricane Katrina hit... 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina )

We need to make relations better here in the Western Hemisphere, and we need to improve trade, and we need to lift Latin America out of poverty, while the people of the USA rise right along with them, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

[FlyingVProd]

I worked with some Native American Indians on a couple of movies, and I tried to get the San Manuel Indian Tribe of San Bernardino to invest in opening a movie studio here in Anaheim. I also have a friend who is in the Yurok Tribe, and my Brother's Mother in law is full blooded Indian (Dodie Rogers, she was adopted by Roy Rogers and Dale Evans). I love the Native American Indians.

Of note too, when I saw Black Sabbath back in 2013, the San Manuel Tribe produced the concert. And the Seminole Tribe in Florida owns the Hard Rock Cafes, hotels, casinos, etc, worldwide. The Indians love Rock and Roll.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bankshot1]

It would be nice to see folks here care more for Indian affairs when they do not pertain to winning elections.

Yeah, I know - I wont hold my breath.

I shouldn't speak for others, but I'm reasonably positive that boz has taken a keen interest in Indian affairs for decades.

[LarryBnDC]

Prolly want a cracker?

https://thehill.com/media/412072-wapo-fact-checker-warren-dna-test-bungled-by-media

From the “ fact checker’s “ story.(you must not have read all the way to the end)

An associate professor at the University of Alberta, Kim TallBear, told the Post that the “very desire to locate a claim to Native American identity in a DNA marker inherited from a long-ago ancestor is a settler-colonial racial understanding of what it is to be Native American.”

From the official Cherokee Nation release

A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

You did not read the above post.

“The Cherokee Nation never released any such statement.”

[LarryBnDC]

It would be nice to see folks here care more for Indian affairs when they do not pertain to winning elections.

Yeah, I know - I wont hold my breath.

Like you give a shit.

It’s not about winning elections it is about fair representation and not having to leap hurdles to vote.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Prolly want a cracker?

https://thehill.com/media/412072-wapo-fact-checker-warren-dna-test-bungled-by-media

From the “ fact checker’s “ story.(you must not have read all the way to the end)

An associate professor at the University of Alberta, Kim TallBear, told the Post that the “very desire to locate a claim to Native American identity in a DNA marker inherited from a long-ago ancestor is a settler-colonial racial understanding of what it is to be Native American.”

From the official Cherokee Nation release

A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

You did not read the above post.

“The Cherokee Nation never released any such statement.”

But it did.


https://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

[josh]

It would be nice to see folks here care more for Indian affairs when they do not pertain to winning elections.

Yeah, I know - I wont hold my breath.

I agree. Made the same complaint about Senator Sanders when he showed oh-so-much passion about the causes of the tribes, after ignoring his in VT. his entire career.

But I think it's hilarious that you should say so.

[josh]

Prolly want a cracker?

https://thehill.com/media/412072-wapo-fact-checker-warren-dna-test-bungled-by-media

From the “ fact checker’s “ story.(you must not have read all the way to the end)

An associate professor at the University of Alberta, Kim TallBear, told the Post that the “very desire to locate a claim to Native American identity in a DNA marker inherited from a long-ago ancestor is a settler-colonial racial understanding of what it is to be Native American.”

From the official Cherokee Nation release

A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

You did not read the above post.

“The Cherokee Nation never released any such statement.”

But it did.


https://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

It's as if you didn't read my post at all.

No, Cherokee Nation did not respond.

One unelected fill-in officer responded.

I posted the statement from the official spokesperson for the tribe, but you don't care because the facts don't fit your bias.

Same shit, different day.

[josh]

"The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away"

Hopefully he doesn't take Trump away [from the Oval Office] before he's finished sorting out North Korea, Iran, China etc.

But once he's accomplished your preferred tasks, then he can die.

Got it.

You're sick.

Nah...not in the dying sense.

Which is good to hear, but since that was not in the sense that I meant it, I accept your position.

[barton]

I live in Indian country.  Lakota and Sicanju here are divided on the issue just as Cherokees.   Some happy that she has that connection, others think she's a wannabe who has made too much of it and really has no tribal cultural heritage.  Like most sociological debates,  it can go on eternally, because different people define that heritage differently.  Because my own heritage includes Sami people (Lapplanders),  I could claim it.   But wouldn't, because there's no family tradition that's remotely Sami, or any tug that direction.  I can sleep in a cold room with just a sheet,  a trait that some partners have found a little freakish,  so I guess there's a bit of Lapplander there.  I don't think I would have told Harvard,  or the Swedish equivalent. 

As I said before,  Warren getting the test was playing Drumpf's puerile game.   45 is a dimwitted manbaby who can easily lower any discourse and drag people down.   

[REDSTATEWARD]

Prolly want a cracker?

https://thehill.com/media/412072-wapo-fact-checker-warren-dna-test-bungled-by-media

From the “ fact checker’s “ story.(you must not have read all the way to the end)

An associate professor at the University of Alberta, Kim TallBear, told the Post that the “very desire to locate a claim to Native American identity in a DNA marker inherited from a long-ago ancestor is a settler-colonial racial understanding of what it is to be Native American.”

From the official Cherokee Nation release

A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

You did not read the above post.

“The Cherokee Nation never released any such statement.”

But it did.


https://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

It's as if you didn't read my post at all.

No, Cherokee Nation did not respond.

It did. On official letterhead (with copyright) by  Cherokee Nation’s Secretary of State.

https://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

Pay attention to the bottom of the release if you have further questions


Cherokee Nation News Release
For Media Inquiries:
Julie Hubbard 918-207-3896
[email protected]

For General Information:
918-453-5000
800-256-0671
[email protected]

© Cherokee Nation - All Rights Reserved

One unelected fill-in officer responded.

I posted the statement from the official spokesperson for the tribe, but you don't care because the facts don't fit your bias.

Your post came from no official spokesperson of any organization let alone Cherokee Nation.