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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

Thank you Tony. Hopefully Red can pick up what you are putting down.

[REDSTATEWARD]

If by politicians you mean "independent non-partisan boards charged with districting that follows an objective compaction algorithm or similar, " then I agree.   If you mean, however, a group of partisan legislators, then no.   That's how states got districts like the one called Goofy Kicking Donald and other grotesqueries.

Your post was proven a lie by last week’s democratic takeover of the House in districts largely drawn by GOP Legislatures after the 2010 Census.

Only in a mind that only cares about the final result and not fairness of the process.

What’s unfair about the process that’s been in use since the Constitutionwas adopted?
The democrats enjoyed House control for nearly 40 years through the end of last century despite often losing the total Congressional vote by 10'%. Eventually shifts in population trends began to favor the GOP and in 2010, helped by the dreadful enactment of ObamaCare by democrats, the GOP made great inroads. Yet despite liberal complaints of a pending “ autocracy” democrats regained the House and picked up state legislative seats by flipping districts “gerrymandered” by
republicans.
There is absolutely no evidence that the redistricting process is in need of an overhaul.

Both parties do it? That is your defense?

Of course they do.
 It’s their job.
 And they are answerable to the voters.
Which is how a representative democracy works.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Gerrymandering districts has ossified our political system. There are representatives left and right who have no incentive to work for bipartisan consensus because the only challenge they fear is from the activist fringes.

The last election alone blew that argument out of the water.

[whiskeypriest]

Gerrymandering districts has ossified our political system. There are representatives left and right who have no incentive to work for bipartisan consensus because the only challenge they fear is from the activist fringes.

The last election alone blew that argument out of the water.

Really? If anything, it strengthened it. The issue is dark blue and dark red, not purple. Gosar can't even carry his own family, but even in a wave.election only has to fear.something from within his party. Joe Crowley never had to worry about winning the general election.

[whiskeypriest]

If by politicians you mean "independent non-partisan boards charged with districting that follows an objective compaction algorithm or similar, " then I agree.   If you mean, however, a group of partisan legislators, then no.   That's how states got districts like the one called Goofy Kicking Donald and other grotesqueries.

Your post was proven a lie by last week’s democratic takeover of the House in districts largely drawn by GOP Legislatures after the 2010 Census.

Only in a mind that only cares about the final result and not fairness of the process.

What’s unfair about the process that’s been in use since the Constitutionwas adopted?
The democrats enjoyed House control for nearly 40 years through the end of last century despite often losing the total Congressional vote by 10'%. Eventually shifts in population trends began to favor the GOP and in 2010, helped by the dreadful enactment of ObamaCare by democrats, the GOP made great inroads. Yet despite liberal complaints of a pending “ autocracy” democrats regained the House and picked up state legislative seats by flipping districts “gerrymandered” by
republicans.
There is absolutely no evidence that the redistricting process is in need of an overhaul.

Both parties do it? That is your defense?

Of course they do.
 It’s their job.
 And they are answerable to the voters.
Which is how a representative democracy works.

That it has always been that way is not a good defense to arguments for change. We can take partisan politics out of the process. That time and zeitgeist might eventually turn a couple of.seats around does not mean we do not have a problem. They will just redraw the districts in a couple years.

[whiskeypriest]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiJ9-et9d7eAhWT3lQKHR6RARYQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fstory%2F2018%2F11%2F18%2Ftrump-adam-schiff-schitt-twitter-1002708&psig=AOvVaw3CF2oLfOvwAb7KRKmUvTNn&ust=1542663997440608

Acting Presidential. Maybe Barron hacked his twitter.

[REDSTATEWARD]

If by politicians you mean "independent non-partisan boards charged with districting that follows an objective compaction algorithm or similar, " then I agree.   If you mean, however, a group of partisan legislators, then no.   That's how states got districts like the one called Goofy Kicking Donald and other grotesqueries.

Your post was proven a lie by last week’s democratic takeover of the House in districts largely drawn by GOP Legislatures after the 2010 Census.

Only in a mind that only cares about the final result and not fairness of the process.

What’s unfair about the process that’s been in use since the Constitutionwas adopted?
The democrats enjoyed House control for nearly 40 years through the end of last century despite often losing the total Congressional vote by 10'%. Eventually shifts in population trends began to favor the GOP and in 2010, helped by the dreadful enactment of ObamaCare by democrats, the GOP made great inroads. Yet despite liberal complaints of a pending “ autocracy” democrats regained the House and picked up state legislative seats by flipping districts “gerrymandered” by
republicans.
There is absolutely no evidence that the redistricting process is in need of an overhaul.

Both parties do it? That is your defense?

Of course they do.
 It’s their job.
 And they are answerable to the voters.
Which is how a representative democracy works.

That it has always been that way is not a good defense to arguments for change. We can take partisan politics out of the process. That time and zeitgeist might eventually turn a couple of.seats around does not mean we do not have a problem. They will just redraw the districts in a couple years.

Districts are not redrawn on a whim. That is coordinated with the census every ten years. And appointing commissions does not take politics out of the process. It only adds another layer and costs taxpayers $ millions to solve a non- problem.  As this year’s mid terms proved conclusively.

[whiskeypriest]

If by politicians you mean "independent non-partisan boards charged with districting that follows an objective compaction algorithm or similar, " then I agree.   If you mean, however, a group of partisan legislators, then no.   That's how states got districts like the one called Goofy Kicking Donald and other grotesqueries.

Your post was proven a lie by last week’s democratic takeover of the House in districts largely drawn by GOP Legislatures after the 2010 Census.

Only in a mind that only cares about the final result and not fairness of the process.

What’s unfair about the process that’s been in use since the Constitutionwas adopted?
The democrats enjoyed House control for nearly 40 years through the end of last century despite often losing the total Congressional vote by 10'%. Eventually shifts in population trends began to favor the GOP and in 2010, helped by the dreadful enactment of ObamaCare by democrats, the GOP made great inroads. Yet despite liberal complaints of a pending “ autocracy” democrats regained the House and picked up state legislative seats by flipping districts “gerrymandered” by
republicans.
There is absolutely no evidence that the redistricting process is in need of an overhaul.

Both parties do it? That is your defense?

Of course they do.
 It’s their job.
 And they are answerable to the voters.
Which is how a representative democracy works.

That it has always been that way is not a good defense to arguments for change. We can take partisan politics out of the process. That time and zeitgeist might eventually turn a couple of.seats around does not mean we do not have a problem. They will just redraw the districts in a couple years.

Districts are not redrawn on a whim. That is coordinated with the census every ten years. And appointing commissions does not take politics out of the process. It only adds another layer and costs taxpayers $ millions to solve a non- problem.  As this year’s mid terms proved conclusively.

After 6 years of artificial domination on the Federal and State level, a.wave.election and some demographic changes... followed by a few.more years after 2020.

Commissions tame.partisanship out of the process, because.protecting seats and majorities no longer happens.

[LarryBnDC]

If by politicians you mean "independent non-partisan boards charged with districting that follows an objective compaction algorithm or similar, " then I agree.   If you mean, however, a group of partisan legislators, then no.   That's how states got districts like the one called Goofy Kicking Donald and other grotesqueries.

Your post was proven a lie by last week’s democratic takeover of the House in districts largely drawn by GOP Legislatures after the 2010 Census.

Now that there is some twisted, perverted logic.

“Because you successfully jumped through the hoops and leaped the barricades I put in your path, my attempts at obstruction don’t count. Therefore what you say is a lie.”

I bet you have no trouble sleeping you amoral fuck.

Yeah. That’s your argument and you know it.

[REDSTATEWARD]

If by politicians you mean "independent non-partisan boards charged with districting that follows an objective compaction algorithm or similar, " then I agree.   If you mean, however, a group of partisan legislators, then no.   That's how states got districts like the one called Goofy Kicking Donald and other grotesqueries.

Your post was proven a lie by last week’s democratic takeover of the House in districts largely drawn by GOP Legislatures after the 2010 Census.

Only in a mind that only cares about the final result and not fairness of the process.

What’s unfair about the process that’s been in use since the Constitutionwas adopted?
The democrats enjoyed House control for nearly 40 years through the end of last century despite often losing the total Congressional vote by 10'%. Eventually shifts in population trends began to favor the GOP and in 2010, helped by the dreadful enactment of ObamaCare by democrats, the GOP made great inroads. Yet despite liberal complaints of a pending “ autocracy” democrats regained the House and picked up state legislative seats by flipping districts “gerrymandered” by
republicans.
There is absolutely no evidence that the redistricting process is in need of an overhaul.

Both parties do it? That is your defense?

Of course they do.
 It’s their job.
 And they are answerable to the voters.
Which is how a representative democracy works.

That it has always been that way is not a good defense to arguments for change. We can take partisan politics out of the process. That time and zeitgeist might eventually turn a couple of.seats around does not mean we do not have a problem. They will just redraw the districts in a couple years.

Districts are not redrawn on a whim. That is coordinated with the census every ten years. And appointing commissions does not take politics out of the process. It only adds another layer and costs taxpayers $ millions to solve a non- problem.  As this year’s mid terms proved conclusively.

After 6 years of artificial domination on the Federal and State level, a.wave.election and some demographic changes... followed by a few.more years after 2020.

Commissions tame.partisanship out of the process, because.protecting seats and majorities no longer happens.

Artificial domination?
In Ohio there are 8 million registered voters, 25% affiliated with republicans, 17.5% with democrats and 56% with no party.
The GOP has 600,000 more affiliated voters than democrats, but Independents represent one million MORE voters that the dems and reps COMBINED. Given the loss of of blue collar jobs in the former democrat stronghold counties around Cleveland and the Northeast part of the state democrats have lost strength at the polls as residents sought jobs in other areas that are solidly red. This has nothing to do with gerrymandering but yet Ohioans voted to amend its constitution to set up a redistricting commission but will still be controlled by politicians.

Only about 15 states use the legislatures to draw district lines, the rest use some form of
“ commission” or only have one district. So the idea that elections flout the will of the people is nothing more than a unprovable excuse for the losers.

[facilitatorn]

The bigger issue is the republican party flagrantly abandoning any principle or value it ever claimed to have in order to become the party of roid rage and dementia. Purging voter rolls is already more effective than redistricting or even most darkmoney smear campaigns.

With all the great accomplishments republicans are working towards they have guaranteed they will be in even worse shape by 2020.

By then I could see trump losing the GOP nomination especially if he gets a contest in an atmosphere where the country truly understands the enormity of the extent to which he is a worm and a loser.

[whiskeypriest]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiipcLiveDeAhWNFHwKHSNrB-QQzPwBegQIARAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tmz.com%2F2018%2F11%2F18%2Fdonald-trump-mistakenly-calls-paradise-ca-pleasure-during-fire-tour-with-gov-brown%2F&psig=AOvVaw0RI4jtaGFfQYfKshjQ5w91&ust=1542717794947945

[LarryBnDC]

To the GOP and its supporters:

When your party’s electoral strategy depends on fewer people voting it means you know your policies suck for most people.

[REDSTATEWARD]

To the GOP and its supporters:

When your party’s electoral strategy depends on fewer people voting it means you know your policies suck for most people.

That was Hillary’s plan.  It didn’t work.
It never does.

[oilcan]

Acting Presidential. Maybe Barron hacked his twitter.

Barron turned 12 last March.  He's a little past the age for that kind of joke.  The letter T is catty-cornered from the letter F on a standard keyboard, so I guess Trump left himself a little cover, in case anyone points out that he might be getting off on the wrong foot with the incoming new chairman of the House Intel Committee. 

Even if he had hope of some kind of elementary school battle of name-calling, a man whose name converts smoothly to "dump" or "rump" is not well-positioned for lobbing fecal typos.