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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

With apologies to the late and brilliant Freddie Mercury....

Red keeps a Moet Chandon in his sealed biosphere,
"Let them eat cake, " he says,
P9

LOL.
Stopped dead in your tracks.
Macron and the French Government leaders are the modern day elitists telling the peasants to pay more gasoline taxes and eat their cake.
The Carbon tax is now dead.
Macron won’t lose his head but probably his job.

  And as pointed out earlier,  there's nothing elitist about keeping Earth habitable.

The problem is the media banality on climate change boils down to “believers vs. deniers.”
In this context voters in the US and around the world have the false notion that climate
and prosperity
are necessarily at odds.
And voters are coming down on the side of prosperity.
The voters have it right since the effects of climate change can’t be mitigated without Prosperiy.

[whiskeypriest]

If people believe climate and prosperity are at odds Red it is because people like you have gone to great lengths to convince people of that. As in your argument yesterday that controlling human caused climate change is an attack on capitalism.

[barton]

The problem is the media banality on climate change boils down to “believers vs. deniers.”
In this context voters in the US and around the world have the false notion that climate
and prosperity
are necessarily at odds.
And voters are coming down on the side of prosperity.
The voters have it right since the effects of climate change can’t be mitigated without Prosperiy.

Then, logically, we being a very prosperous nation, we should have the wherewithal to mitigate carbon releases and be a world leader on this important matter.  Indeed, the U.S. has been in the past involved in a UN program to distribute simple solar cookers to rural people in Africa, which reduces carbon and also defoliation of especially vulnerable semi-arid landscapes.  Public officials should get behind such initiatives, both in the third world and at home, and promote voter's knowledge of their benefits.  Prosperity is of little value if our major coastal cities are swamped and our grain belts turn into desert.  Much cheaper to promote clean energy, and offer economic incentives in places like Indonesia to retain rain forests, than to get New York and Miami and Houston to float.  Prevention tends to be less costly than cure.  Which frees up money for all the capitalist innovation you like.

[REDSTATEWARD]

The problem is the media banality on climate change boils down to “believers vs. deniers.”
In this context voters in the US and around the world have the false notion that climate
and prosperity
are necessarily at odds.
And voters are coming down on the side of prosperity.
The voters have it right since the effects of climate change can’t be mitigated without Prosperiy.

Then, logically, we being a very prosperous nation, we should have the wherewithal to mitigate carbon releases and be a world leader on this important matter.  Indeed, the U.S. has been in the past involved in a UN program to distribute simple solar cookers to rural people in Africa, which reduces carbon and also defoliation of especially vulnerable semi-arid landscapes.  Public officials should get behind such initiatives, both in the third world and at home, and promote voter's knowledge of their benefits.  Prosperity is of little value if our major coastal cities are swamped and our grain belts turn into desert.  Much cheaper to promote clean energy, and offer economic incentives in places like Indonesia to retain rain forests, than to get New York and Miami and Houston to float.  Prevention tends to be less costly than cure.  Which frees up money for all the capitalist innovation you like.

Prosperity is increased by mitigating the effects of climate change. Building a dike improves GDP.
The “Yellow Vests “in France are revolting because gasoline is expensive and Macron was proposing more taxes in the midst of a depressing economic downturn. Voters in Colorado and Washington revolted at the ballot box nixing greenie efforts to make carbon more expensive.
The US National Climate Assessment is just the latest study to(again) point out the obvious; the biggest threat to climate is a lack of prosperity. 

[josh]

Getting the vote OUT will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Actually, what was key for them this time and next seems to be getting the voters out.

Out of the voter rolls, that is.

[josh]

With apologies to the late and brilliant Freddie Mercury....

Red keeps a Moet Chandon in his sealed biosphere,
"Let them eat cake, " he says,
P9

LOL.
Stopped dead in your tracks.
Macron and the French Government leaders are the modern day elitists telling the peasants to pay more gasoline taxes and eat their cake.
The Carbon tax is now dead.
Macron won’t lose his head but probably his job.

  And as pointed out earlier,  there's nothing elitist about keeping Earth habitable.

The problem is the media banality on climate change boils down to “believers vs. deniers.”
In this context voters in the US and around the world have the false notion that climate
and prosperity
are necessarily at odds.
And voters are coming down on the side of prosperity.
The voters have it right since the effects of climate change can’t be mitigated without Prosperiy.

dolt

the voters have it wrong.

Without climate, there will be no prosperity.

The path the GOP has taken (and too much of the Democrats, too) has been to keep the wheels turning as if that will fix the problem or at least kick it down the decades.

YOUR shortsightedness may cost us all.

[facilitatorn]

Getting the vote OUT will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Actually, what was key for them this time and next seems to be getting the voters out.

Out of the voter rolls, that is.

Domestic terrorism in its many forms is all republicans are good for these days.

Case in point

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-on-coming-debt-crisis-i-wont-be-here-when-it-blows-up?ref=home

[luee]

---Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke must resign. His multiple scandals show he's unfit to serve.---


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/11/30/interior-secretary-ryan-zinke-must-resign-top-democrat-column/2139238002/

[kiiidcarter8]

Getting the vote OUT will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Getting the vote out in places that vote for the GOP, and suppressing it in places that don't will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Yeah those Republican votes in Dem districts didn't mean much in 2016

Heh

[facilitatorn]

Getting the vote OUT will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Getting the vote out in places that vote for the GOP, and suppressing it in places that don't will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Yeah those Republican votes in Dem districts didn't mean much in 2016

Heh

Not without a ton of help from Russians and domestic terrorist groups.

Republican votes definitely didn’t mean anything good. They never do.

[REDSTATEWARD]

With apologies to the late and brilliant Freddie Mercury....

Red keeps a Moet Chandon in his sealed biosphere,
"Let them eat cake, " he says,
P9

LOL.
Stopped dead in your tracks.
Macron and the French Government leaders are the modern day elitists telling the peasants to pay more gasoline taxes and eat their cake.
The Carbon tax is now dead.
Macron won’t lose his head but probably his job.

  And as pointed out earlier,  there's nothing elitist about keeping Earth habitable.

The problem is the media banality on climate change boils down to “believers vs. deniers.”
In this context voters in the US and around the world have the false notion that climate
and prosperity
are necessarily at odds.
And voters are coming down on the side of prosperity.
The voters have it right since the effects of climate change can’t be mitigated without Prosperiy.

dolt

the voters have it wrong.

Without climate, there will be no prosperity.

The path the GOP has taken (and too much of the Democrats, too) has been to keep the wheels turning as if that will fix the problem or at least kick it down the decades.

YOUR shortsightedness may cost us all.

What “wheels” do you want to stop and why?

[NeedsAdjustments]

Getting the vote OUT will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Getting the vote out in places that vote for the GOP, and suppressing it in places that don't will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Yeah those Republican votes in Dem districts didn't mean much in 2016

Heh

Like where, Wisconsin?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/09/26/17000-wisconsinites-in-two-counties-likely-didnt-vote-in-2016-due-to-the-states-voter-id-law/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.20f2f95afb8a

If you aren't smart enough to get past the paywall, just read the URL, and you'll get the idea.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Getting the vote OUT will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Getting the vote out in places that vote for the GOP, and suppressing it in places that don't will be a key for RNC in 2020.  As it was in 2016.

Yeah those Republican votes in Dem districts didn't mean much in 2016

Heh

Like where, Wisconsin?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/09/26/17000-wisconsinites-in-two-counties-likely-didnt-vote-in-2016-due-to-the-states-voter-id-law/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.20f2f95afb8a

If you aren't smart enough to get past the paywall, just read the URL, and you'll get the idea.

Point being, yeah, Republican votes tend to elect Republicans.  But without looking at the larger picture (was Democratic turnout up or down in those districts?) you don't have an argument.

And not for nothing, overall turnout as measured by % of VAP was slightly down in 2016 from 2012, both well below 2008.  Big turnout elections usually point to Democratic victories.  Hence Republicans push for Voter ID laws.

[bambu-wisdom]

Trouble is...the leftist climate change brigade seemingly want to close down all the coal-fired power stations...'now'.
"When do we want it...now"!
Fantasy land stuff.

"No planes to fly...too much carbon emitted".
"Fossil fuels are evil...they must be eliminated...now".
"There's no future unless climate change is halted...now".

They and their media buddies work themselves up to fever pitch...Heaven help you if you disagree with them.

[josh]