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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[luee]

No barrier would be the end of American culture as we know it. A liberal elitist lost cause, why? The one thing Trump has right.  Not an either or thing. Spend,spend,spend and give tax money back to the workers and not illegal aliens and their family members.

Trump = the end of American culture as we have known it for the past 50+ years.

No, mostly, no barrier would do no such thing, Luee, no matter how much you insist that it is so. However, since very few folks are actually proposing that, it's a red herring claim - feeding fear without cause.

Further, a WALL is still not the way to go. It has long since been superceded as a concept. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? It's not necessary for jobs. It is harmful to people. And it will neither stem the tide of those few who are coming north nor the flow of drugs.

Why do you disagree with any of that?

We need infrastructure work. The Wall is not the way.

You want a rotation of drones covering the border, then discuss that - it would create jobs while doing a better job.

Two great accomplishments Hadrian's wall and the great wall of China. It can be a beautiful lasting thing.But more than a wonder it is a statement we are full. What are drones going to do when you have thousands crossing, hiya wave to the camera? A wall is the only answer built with American tax dollars and made with pride by American union workers, backed up by a border patrol and the military.

[whiskeypriest]

https://twitter.com/themouthmatusow/status/1090492862209245184?s=20

Bullshit and you know it...

What's bullshit?

Every word you post.

[NeedsAdjustments]

You just plain ignored what Powell said The Committee continues to view sustained expansion of economic activity, strong labor market conditions, and inflation near the Committee's symmetric 2 percent objective as the most likely outcomes.

Nope. What I did was explain to you that low inflation is not an indicator of a booming economy and thus nothing for you to crow about. Neither is the Fed exercising caution with rates and bond buybacks due to concerns about continued growth, after Trump signed a $1.5 Trillion tax cut for the rich promising the greatest economy we have ever seen. His one signature “victory “ has had little effect while blowing up the deficit.

Yes the economy is solid with a better than even chance of remaining so in the near future. Thanks Obama.

Finally changing?  Best wage growth in 8 years.

Yes, finally changing. As in, this latest growth number for the last quarter was the first that showed signs of wages beginning to reflect full employment.  As in, that $1.5 Trillion tax cut for corporations which was sold on a promise to raise wages hasn’t done so, with ALL analysis of that growth crediting the employment numbers. As you were told they would.

How did the stock markets react to Powell and the Fed decision?

Lol. How would you expect markets to react to news that the Fed is keeping down interest rates and slowing their bond sell off ?  Man. You really aren’t smart.

I bet you were parroting the WSJ back when they complained that low interest rates and bond buys are artificially floating the Obama economy, and now you are crowing about the very same policy under Trump as though it’s a sign of strength.

So predictably bad.

[LarryBnDC]

No barrier would be the end of American culture as we know it. A liberal elitist lost cause, why? The one thing Trump has right.  Not an either or thing. Spend,spend,spend and give tax money back to the workers and not illegal aliens and their family members.

Trump = the end of American culture as we have known it for the past 50+ years.

No, mostly, no barrier would do no such thing, Luee, no matter how much you insist that it is so. However, since very few folks are actually proposing that, it's a red herring claim - feeding fear without cause.

Further, a WALL is still not the way to go. It has long since been superceded as a concept. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? It's not necessary for jobs. It is harmful to people. And it will neither stem the tide of those few who are coming north nor the flow of drugs.

Why do you disagree with any of that?

We need infrastructure work. The Wall is not the way.

You want a rotation of drones covering the border, then discuss that - it would create jobs while doing a better job.

Two great accomplishments Hadrian's wall and the great wall of China. It can be a beautiful lasting thing.But more than a wonder it is a statement we are full. What are drones going to do when you have thousands crossing, hiya wave to the camera? A wall is the only answer built with American tax dollars and made with pride by American union workers, backed up by a border patrol and the military.

Beautiful lasting thing... you are an inane drone...

[kidcarter8]

https://twitter.com/OmarHamada/status/1088136519146188800

[kidcarter8]

No barrier would be the end of American culture as we know it. A liberal elitist lost cause, why? The one thing Trump has right.  Not an either or thing. Spend,spend,spend and give tax money back to the workers and not illegal aliens and their family members.

Trump = the end of American culture as we have known it for the past 50+ years.

No, mostly, no barrier would do no such thing, Luee, no matter how much you insist that it is so. However, since very few folks are actually proposing that, it's a red herring claim - feeding fear without cause.

Further, a WALL is still not the way to go. It has long since been superceded as a concept. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? It's not necessary for jobs. It is harmful to people. And it will neither stem the tide of those few who are coming north nor the flow of drugs.

Why do you disagree with any of that?

We need infrastructure work. The Wall is not the way.

You want a rotation of drones covering the border, then discuss that - it would create jobs while doing a better job.

Do you also favor tearing down of existing US/Mexico barriers?  Why/why not?

[REDSTATEWARD]

You just plain ignored what Powell said The Committee continues to view sustained expansion of economic activity, strong labor market conditions, and inflation near the Committee's symmetric 2 percent objective as the most likely outcomes.

Nope. What I did was explain to you that low inflation is not an indicator of a booming economy and thus nothing for you to crow about.

Okay. I’ll let others crow.

[barton]

This shit is on fire! I mean this motherfucker has literally set the country ablaze!

This is wild... I can’t think of a situation where I felt we are very close to the precipice of... something?

When John Thune says POTUS should stay off twitter you know POTUS is losing his anchors in the Senate.   i bet Kelly is more sorely missed with each passing day. 

[barton]

Two great accomplishments Hadrian's wall and the great wall of China. It can be a beautiful lasting thing....

Notice your examples are both at least a couple millenia old.  And scholars are generally dubious about the effectiveness of Hadrian's wall for actual protection.  Also, a lot of the wall stones were swiped for nearby building projects. 

[NeedsAdjustments]

When John Thune says POTUS should stay off twitter you know POTUS is losing his anchors in the Senate. 

Not really.  Republicans have been saying they "prefer Trump stay off twitter" from the start.  Its a way for them to minimize the real problems Trump presents, as if its a question of his mode of communication.

The true problem is that the "President's" tweets are representative of his frame of mind.  And that frame of mind is deeply disqualifying.  What Republicans are saying when they say stay off twitter is "we'd prefer you keep Americans in the dark about how dangerous you are."

[NeedsAdjustments]

https://twitter.com/OmarHamada/status/1088136519146188800

One tweet earlier:  "We are barbarians who mercilessly slaughter our own children, then celebrate it with our own Tower of Babel."

Yeah, good source there.

[NeedsAdjustments]

When John Thune says POTUS should stay off twitter you know POTUS is losing his anchors in the Senate. 

Not really.  Republicans have been saying they "prefer Trump stay off twitter" from the start.  Its a way for them to minimize the real problems Trump presents, as if its a question of his mode of communication.

The true problem is that the "President's" tweets are representative of his frame of mind.  And that frame of mind is deeply disqualifying.  What Republicans are saying when they say stay off twitter is "we'd prefer you keep Americans in the dark about how dangerous you are."

Regardless, how crazy is it that we find it notable when a few Republicans temporarily put partisan politics aside in order to make the point that its dangerous when the President of the United States ignores intelligence.  Listening to our intelligence assessments and acting accordingly when it comes to issues of national security has become a partisan position?

That's insane.  And its not just Trump that has put us here, its congressional Republicans who prioritize tax cuts and judges over the obvious danger Trump presents to American lives.

And of course outside of providing a few quotes to the press, what are these congressional Republicans actually doing to protect us?  Nada.

[josh]

Two great accomplishments Hadrian's wall and the great wall of China. It can be a beautiful lasting thing.But more than a wonder it is a statement we are full. What are drones going to do when you have thousands crossing, hiya wave to the camera? A wall is the only answer built with American tax dollars and made with pride by American union workers, backed up by a border patrol and the military.

https://christojeanneclaude.net/projects/the-wall---wrapped-roman-wall



The time of the walls you names has already been mentioned. The effectiveness (or lack thereof) of Hadrian's Wall has been touched on - though you should know that that was the third such wall tried there, after the first two did not work.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2016/03-04/the-great-wall-of-china/

The barrier’s military effectiveness, however, is somewhat harder to assess. China’s northern border continued to suffer a very large number of attacks. Sometimes these were undertaken by armies numbering as many as 100,000 men, as well as by smaller groups of nomads. One example of the latter took place in Wo Yan in 1555, when a score of Mongol warriors attacked a tower in the middle of the night using grappling hooks to climb the wall. But just as they reached the top, the snorting of their horses alerted the Chinese guards.

I've posted links to tunnels under the extant US/Mexico border. I've discussed the problems with tunnels that both Egypt and Israel have had. The Gaza–Egypt border is 12 kilometres (7.5 mi) long.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Egypt-destroys-37-tunnels-which-infiltrated-from-Gaza-in-2018-576410

But this is not a new problem!
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171222-63-gaza-border-tunnels-destroyed-in-2017-egyptian-army/

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/middleeast/as-egypt-floods-gaza-tunnels-smugglers-fear-an-end-to-their-trade.html
********

37 tunnels in a year. 63 tunnels in a year. All this along a border that is merely 7.5 miles long!

The US-Mexico border is 1,954 mi, before you count the 18 miles in the Pacific and 12 miles in the Gulf - more than 260 times as long!

[oilcan]

When John Thune says POTUS should stay off twitter you know POTUS is losing his anchors in the Senate. 

Not really.  Republicans have been saying they "prefer Trump stay off twitter" from the start.  Its a way for them to minimize the real problems Trump presents, as if its a question of his mode of communication.

The true problem is that the "President's" tweets are representative of his frame of mind.  And that frame of mind is deeply disqualifying.  What Republicans are saying when they say stay off twitter is "we'd prefer you keep Americans in the dark about how dangerous you are."

My description of Thune's comment was incomplete, and needed Dakota context.  As a Dakotan,  I am pretty familiar with Thune's style, and he mos def wasn't just offering a soft jab at communication mode or suggesting Americans should be in the dark.  Maybe you have to live here, to understand how understated and nonconfrontational Dakotans tend to be.  If Thune had an anger translator from Jersey, it would be "this fucking imbecile needs to shut his stinking piehole and start listening to his experts."  Please try to give conservative America credit - just because they don't openly spit on the President, doesn't mean there isn't spittle flying in private conversations.  Most people on the plains, regardless of their stand on things like small fed government or 2nd amendment or late-term abortion or immigration, know that Trump is a man of low character and high ignorance.  Their fault is in naively failing to understand that Congress, and handlers, cannot so easily keep bad impulses in check.  And also that they do not question their information sources.   

[josh]

No barrier would be the end of American culture as we know it. A liberal elitist lost cause, why? The one thing Trump has right.  Not an either or thing. Spend,spend,spend and give tax money back to the workers and not illegal aliens and their family members.

Trump = the end of American culture as we have known it for the past 50+ years.

No, mostly, no barrier would do no such thing, Luee, no matter how much you insist that it is so. However, since very few folks are actually proposing that, it's a red herring claim - feeding fear without cause.

Further, a WALL is still not the way to go. It has long since been superceded as a concept. What part of that is so hard for you to understand? It's not necessary for jobs. It is harmful to people. And it will neither stem the tide of those few who are coming north nor the flow of drugs.

Why do you disagree with any of that?

We need infrastructure work. The Wall is not the way.

You want a rotation of drones covering the border, then discuss that - it would create jobs while doing a better job.

Do you also favor tearing down of existing US/Mexico barriers?  Why/why not?

Mostly, I don't care, unless it is causing an active problem, which mostly it is not. It's not particularly effective, but throwing away resources to remove it doesn't seem wise without additional cause.

In areas in which it hinders family or environment or city, I would likely seek to get rid of it or replace it.

You know we have unmanned border crossings with Canada, right? Did you know that many more folks on the terrorist watch list came down from Canada in 2018 than came up from Mexico. Did you know we have 200 Border Patrol vacancies on the Canadian side? A wall there would be just as beautirful, if just as ineffective.