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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

So here is the Green New Deal as envisioned by AOC and revealed today.

“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.


“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”

“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”

“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”

“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”

How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.


Nancy Pelosi had a serious MEH even before the plan was unveiled.

"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"


What it is is Socialism on steroids.

[bambu-wisdom]

What it is is a dream.
Dream.
Not real life.

Transition off nuclear?
Weren't the 'climate change' brigade wanting to transition to nuclear only last week?

[bambu-wisdom]

Beautiful women aren't always wise.

[whiskeypriest]

Beautiful women aren't always wise.

While a person's appearance, male or female, has nothing to do with their intelligence,  I have always pictured: 1. That your appearance reflects your mind, and 2. You are one ugly motherfucker.

[josh]

I find it funny that there are just 2 on this forum that feel Northam has not shown he is a racist.  And thus should not resign

Dems seemingly want to eat their own though - should be interesting.  (Al Franken redux?)

I think it's unsurprising that you would embrace anybody who acts as you two would have acted and likes to use that as a shield against your own racism.

I think it is utterly predictable that those same two of you would continue to squirm and deny the Trump administration's abduction of and lying about said abduction of thousands of children - and then just refuse to even discuss it.

Amoral hypocrites.

And you should be called out on it every single time you want to talk about some minor thing about the Dems that is less upsetting to you.

[LarryBnDC]

Herring got out front of his shit and can legitimately blame bro culture at UVA forty years ago.

I am a little confused, though, by the logic there.  If Herring can blame bro culture, does this mean others can, too?

Yes. Blackface in undergrad forty odd years ago at UVA? Casual racism was the reality of the era.

I was more asking where one can draw a line.  40 odd years + undergrad is okay, but 30 odd years + grad school not okay?  I am not making that argument, just saying you beg that question.  I guess the main difference is Herring was upfront and out in front, where Northam got freaked and started eating his own foot.

Exactly.

However, someone pulling that blackface shit as an adult in recent years has no leg to stand on.

1984 is recent?  The two incidents were 4 years apart (1980 and 1984) and both were students.

I’m talking about RECENT like the appointed SoS in Florida... he wore blackface and drag to a 2005 Halloween party with a shirt saying “Katrina Victim”

He was a grown ass man of thirty five at the time.

[LarryBnDC]

So here is the Green New Deal as envisioned by AOC and revealed today.

“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.


“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”

“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”

“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”

“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”

How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.


Nancy Pelosi had a serious MEH even before the plan was unveiled.

"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"


What it is is Socialism on steroids.

What is socialism on steroids? Major league sports.

What else is socialism?

Social Security.

Y’all run on fear of socialism in 2020 and you’ll be righteously dusted.

[oilcan]

I am amused that you are open to the possibility that he just thought it would be a cute idea to place a picture of two other people in racist costume on his yearbook page.

One of the funnier bits of excuse making.  Which made me zoom out on the chat and ask, big picture, who on God's green earth would still think a pic of a Klan costumed guy was a harmless joke in the 80s?  And suitable for the page that says, this was me while I attended school here.  I think Northam started gnawing off his leg precisely because he realized how awful it was.   The YB page, I mean, not his leg. 

[bambu-wisdom]

Beautiful women aren't always wise.

While a person's appearance, male or female, has nothing to do with their intelligence,  I have always pictured: 1. That your appearance reflects your mind, and 2. You are one ugly motherfucker.

You can't tell me that beautiful women don't get listened to more often everywhere in society than not-so-beautiful women do.
These days there seems to be even more worshipping of beautiful women than in the past.
"If a beautiful woman says it, it must be true/the thing to do."

[Yankguy1]

I have never heard one person say that.

[oilcan]

So here is the Green New Deal as envisioned by AOC and revealed today.

“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.


“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective...."

I don't care what it costs.  These are all excellent measures to make our lives better and save the beautiful planet that is our home.   I would double my tax payments if it helped mobilize America to get off fossils and nukes, and i could get around on a fast train.  Socialism?  Fuck yes!   I'm not Daniel Boone.  I like it when a people come together and pool resources for a common good. 

[bambu-wisdom]

I’m talking about RECENT like the appointed SoS in Florida... he wore blackface and drag to a 2005 Halloween party with a shirt saying “Katrina Victim”

He was a grown ass man of thirty five at the time.

Speaking of 'ass man'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6679755/Canadian-ASSMAN-dream-vanity-plate-denied.html

Canadian with the last name ASSMAN has his dream vanity plate denied for being an 'unacceptable slogan'.

•Dave Assman, 47, has never been ashamed of surname, pronounced 'Oss-man'
•But the Saskatchewan driver's licensing won't let him put it on his vanity plate 
•SGI said its rules against 'offensive slang' still stand, even if it's someone's name
•Assman told DailyMail.com he loves his name and it stirs up good conversation  
 

[bambu-wisdom]

So here is the Green New Deal as envisioned by AOC and revealed today.

“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.


“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective...."

I don't care what it costs.  These are all excellent measures to make our lives better and save the beautiful planet that is our home.   I would double my tax payments if it helped mobilize America to get off fossils and nukes, and i could get around on a fast train.  Socialism?  Fuck yes!   I'm not Daniel Boone.  I like it when a people come together and pool resources for a common good.

Respectfully,

Doubling your tax payments wouldn't even help pay for the feasibility studies.
Have you seen how many buildings there are in NYC alone?
Better idea would be to fix the 27,000 bridges that are reportedly in need of desperate repair.

You should be caring how much it would cost...everything has to be paid for.
"Govts have no money...they can only spend what they gather from the People in taxes" - my no 1 radio host.

What you should be lobbying against are open borders and massive immigration.
'Massive immigrants' demand an ever-increasing amount of power...which windmills and sunshine simply cannot provide.
There'll be 400 million people in America 'soon'...all gotta eat. No cows, what they gonna be eating?

[REDSTATEWARD]

Thus spoke YankGuy

don't care what it costs.  These are all excellent measures to make our lives better and save the beautiful planet that is our home.   I would double my tax payments if it helped mobilize America to get off fossils and nukes, and i could get around on a fast train.  Socialism?  Fuck yes!   I'm not Daniel Boone.  I like it when a people come together and pool resources for a common good.

I think you need a remedial course in the meaning of Socialism.

[Yankguy1]

While I didn't say that, I'd be happy to hear your definition of "socialist" Red.  I realize that for somebody who doesn't know the meaning of simple words like "amoral" and "benefactor", I imagine it's difficult, but take a shot anyway, Red. 

It seems to me that when a Democratic Congress explodes the debt they're "socialist cocksuckers" but when a Republican Congress does the same, well you got your tax cut.  I'm sure your definition of "socialist" might be in there somewhere.