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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

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A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

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More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

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A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

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DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

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Huge disruption to the day.

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Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-maki-japanese-internment-20190220-story.html

Why do some American leaders keep trying to defend the Japanese internment?

Because some Japanese in Hawaii were spying for Japan and relaying messages to assist with the attack on Pearl Harbour, where Americans were slaughtered!
Because America was at war with Japan, and to make certain Japanese people in America were not Japan-sympathisers/could not be spies, they had to be put in camps/taken out of circulation.
It was 1939/41/43/45.
People were jumping at shadows.

Internment camps...like Gitmo...self-preservation... "take them out of circulation until the war is over."

Wanna blame someone, blame Imperial Japan of the day.
Blame the Japanese of the day committing all the atrocities.

Idiot.

You asked.
I informed you why.
That is why.

No, you didn't.

You repeated your usual racist, anti-American bullshit.

Racist?    Japanese blew up Pearl Harbour, slaughtered Americans. US govt put Japanese Americans in internment camps as a result. Fact.

Anti-American?  Where on earth did you get that from?

You put the emphasis in the wrong place.

US govt put Japanese Americans in internment camps.

The United States has some items in its Constitution that suggest that that action and your support of it are, in fact, anti-American.

Article 1, Section 9
2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

There was neither rebellion nor invasion. Public safety did not require Executive Order 9066 nor was it legal.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Americans were removed from their homes and their property was seized in a variety of fashions without probabe cause and without trial.

Article V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

They were deprived of liberty and property, and a few of life, without due process.

Article XIV
1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Article XV
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Guilt by association is anti-American.

Locking people up without a trial (or even an accusation) is anti-American.

Preventing them from voting is anti-American.

http://depts.washington.edu/civilr/after_internment.htm Lots of anti-American crap going on, then and now. And you encourage it.

[josh]

The vast majority of those interned were American.

Japanese-Americans.

My German-speaking ancestors in a rural town had to report to the cops all the time and were being watched.
They weren't the only ones.
They were Australian, German-Australian if you like.
It was a world war...they were born here, with their original ancestors from the land of the bad guys 100 years before.

Can't be too careful in wartime.
Wouldn't have wanted any Germany-sympathisers sending coded messages/maps etc to Japan via Germany, my guess.
It was 1939/45.
Population of Australia in 1939 … 6,967,754...no real need for internment camps.
Population of the USA in 1939...  130.9 million ...need for internment camps, to keep any possible Japan-sympathisers from spying etc.
It wouldn't happen today...but back then they were new at being massacred on their own shores.

Americans. Where their ancestors were from or even they themselves if naturalized did not change their status: Americans.

And if you cannot tell the difference between being watched and having your lives torn apart and property removed from you, then you are duller than we thought.

[bambu-wisdom]

Their was invasion...Pear Harbor, Hawaii.
Invasion by Japan...with Japanese people in Hawaii complicit.
Japanese-Americans?

Property should not have been seized.

Wartime...wartime decrees by the govt take precedent.

What would you have had the govt do?...nothing?
Then any Japan sympathisers/spies would've had free rein.
Tough decisions had to be made.

[bambu-wisdom]

Just as I suspected...they had good reason.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/22/us/1941-cables-boasted-of-japanese-american-spying.html

1941 CABLES BOASTED OF JAPANESE-AMERICAN SPYING


Before interning 120,000 Japanese-American citizens and alien residents in World War II, President Roosevelt and some of his top advisers may have seen decoded Japanese diplomatic cables boasting that ethnic Japanese had been ''utilized'' for espionage, according to a former intelligence official.

David Lowman, a retired special assistant to the director of the National Security Agency, said the diplomatic cables intercepted and decoded by American cryptanalysts in 1941 might not have justified the relocation and internment for more than two years in grim internment camps of Japanese-American citizens and resident Japanese aliens living on the West Coast.

''I doubt that it does justify it,'' Mr. Lowman said. But he said he believed the evidence cast doubt on the fairness and judgment of the recently established Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians.

The nine-member commission, created by Congress, said in its first report in February that Roosevelt had political and racial motives in approving the internment, that officials were influenced by ''war hysteria,'' and that there had been no military necessity and no valid intelligence information to justify the relocating.

The commission is to report June 22 on its recommendations on possible financial compensation for about 80,000 internment camp survivors and their families. Some Japanese-American organizations have asked for billions of dollars in compensation. 'No One Knew for Certain'

Mr. Lowman, who in the 1970's worked on the declassification and publication of the decoded Japanese cables, said that Roosevelt, Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and a handful of other officials were on the limited distribution list of the cable traffic.

''Anyone reading this flow of messages during 1941 could easily conclude that thousands of resident Japanese were being organized into subversive organizations,'' Mr. Lowman said. ''Today we know that the Japanese Government misjudged the loyalty of Japanese Americans completely. But at that time no one knew for certain.''

[LarryBnDC]

Just as I suspected...they had good reason.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/22/us/1941-cables-boasted-of-japanese-american-spying.html

1941 CABLES BOASTED OF JAPANESE-AMERICAN SPYING


Before interning 120,000 Japanese-American citizens and alien residents in World War II, President Roosevelt and some of his top advisers may have seen decoded Japanese diplomatic cables boasting that ethnic Japanese had been ''utilized'' for espionage, according to a former intelligence official.

David Lowman, a retired special assistant to the director of the National Security Agency, said the diplomatic cables intercepted and decoded by American cryptanalysts in 1941 might not have justified the relocation and internment for more than two years in grim internment camps of Japanese-American citizens and resident Japanese aliens living on the West Coast.

''I doubt that it does justify it,'' Mr. Lowman said. But he said he believed the evidence cast doubt on the fairness and judgment of the recently established Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians.

The nine-member commission, created by Congress, said in its first report in February that Roosevelt had political and racial motives in approving the internment, that officials were influenced by ''war hysteria,'' and that there had been no military necessity and no valid intelligence information to justify the relocating.

The commission is to report June 22 on its recommendations on possible financial compensation for about 80,000 internment camp survivors and their families. Some Japanese-American organizations have asked for billions of dollars in compensation. 'No One Knew for Certain'

Mr. Lowman, who in the 1970's worked on the declassification and publication of the decoded Japanese cables, said that Roosevelt, Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and a handful of other officials were on the limited distribution list of the cable traffic.

''Anyone reading this flow of messages during 1941 could easily conclude that thousands of resident Japanese were being organized into subversive organizations,'' Mr. Lowman said. ''Today we know that the Japanese Government misjudged the loyalty of Japanese Americans completely. But at that time no one knew for certain.''

The rally was sponsored by the German American Bund, an organization with headquarters in Manhattan and thousands of members across the United States. In the 1930s, the Bund was one of several organizations in the United States that were openly supportive of Adolf Hitler and the rise of fascism in Europe. They had parades, bookstores and summer camps for youth. Their vision for America was a cocktail of white supremacy, fascist ideology and American patriotism.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan

After Pearl Harbor the USA declared war on Japan... and Germany declared war on the USA...

[whiskeypriest]

Just as I suspected...they had good reason.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/22/us/1941-cables-boasted-of-japanese-american-spying.html

1941 CABLES BOASTED OF JAPANESE-AMERICAN SPYING


Before interning 120,000 Japanese-American citizens and alien residents in World War II, President Roosevelt and some of his top advisers may have seen decoded Japanese diplomatic cables boasting that ethnic Japanese had been ''utilized'' for espionage, according to a former intelligence official.

David Lowman, a retired special assistant to the director of the National Security Agency, said the diplomatic cables intercepted and decoded by American cryptanalysts in 1941 might not have justified the relocation and internment for more than two years in grim internment camps of Japanese-American citizens and resident Japanese aliens living on the West Coast.

''I doubt that it does justify it,'' Mr. Lowman said. But he said he believed the evidence cast doubt on the fairness and judgment of the recently established Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians.

The nine-member commission, created by Congress, said in its first report in February that Roosevelt had political and racial motives in approving the internment, that officials were influenced by ''war hysteria,'' and that there had been no military necessity and no valid intelligence information to justify the relocating.

The commission is to report June 22 on its recommendations on possible financial compensation for about 80,000 internment camp survivors and their families. Some Japanese-American organizations have asked for billions of dollars in compensation. 'No One Knew for Certain'

Mr. Lowman, who in the 1970's worked on the declassification and publication of the decoded Japanese cables, said that Roosevelt, Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and a handful of other officials were on the limited distribution list of the cable traffic.

''Anyone reading this flow of messages during 1941 could easily conclude that thousands of resident Japanese were being organized into subversive organizations,'' Mr. Lowman said. ''Today we know that the Japanese Government misjudged the loyalty of Japanese Americans completely. But at that time no one knew for certain.''

The rally was sponsored by the German American Bund, an organization with headquarters in Manhattan and thousands of members across the United States. In the 1930s, the Bund was one of several organizations in the United States that were openly supportive of Adolf Hitler and the rise of fascism in Europe. They had parades, bookstores and summer camps for youth. Their vision for America was a cocktail of white supremacy, fascist ideology and American patriotism.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan

After Pearl Harbor the USA declared war on Japan... and Germany declared war on the USA...

You need to be explicit. That penny won't drop.

I understand the food in the Italian American internment camps was magnificent.

[barton]

https://apnews.com/e8372b95d3fb41e7a772c9319acb930a

Documentary short about Nazi rally in NYC in 1939 up for Oscar.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Trump rails against human trafficking. Trump ally accused of participating in human trafficking.

With the GOP/Trump it’s always like this.

[oilcan]

You ever wake up, see the latest news, and it just strikes you forcefully that the U.S. is led by a total fucking moron?  There is plenty of analysis on how we got here, but once in a while the numb resignation stops for a moment, and it just seems incredible.  For example, all the numbers compiled by Trump's own administration put the lie to his "emergency."  Border crossings at lowest rate in years, most crossings now refugees seeking asylum, immigrants have crime rates lower than native-borns, and most drugs come across at legal ports of entry.  His lies are not only massive, but he has not even the pretense of factual support.  This is truth-because-I-say-so, truth-because-my-gut-is-better-than-empirical-knowledge.  Trump's treason is not the treason of allying with an enemy nation (thought I can't rule that out), it's the treason of a direct attack on the fundamentals of democracy.  Fuck him.  May he rot in hell.  And fuck all of you who let yourself be duped by his lies and demented rantings, in exchange for a few shekels at the end of the fiscal year. 

[Yankguy1]

Other than that, though, it's a real emergency.  And an invasion.

[facilitatorn]

Trump rails against human trafficking. Trump ally accused of participating in human trafficking.

With the GOP/Trump it’s always like this.

GOP leadership is the highest you can rise in organized crime in the United States. It has been that way consistently since Nixon.

[LarryBnDC]

You ever wake up, see the latest news, and it just strikes you forcefully that the U.S. is led by a total fucking moron?  There is plenty of analysis on how we got here, but once in a while the numb resignation stops for a moment, and it just seems incredible.  For example, all the numbers compiled by Trump's own administration put the lie to his "emergency."  Border crossings at lowest rate in years, most crossings now refugees seeking asylum, immigrants have crime rates lower than native-borns, and most drugs come across at legal ports of entry.  His lies are not only massive, but he has not even the pretense of factual support.  This is truth-because-I-say-so, truth-because-my-gut-is-better-than-empirical-knowledge.  Trump's treason is not the treason of allying with an enemy nation (thought I can't rule that out), it's the treason of a direct attack on the fundamentals of democracy.  Fuck him.  May he rot in hell.  And fuck all of you who let yourself be duped by his lies and demented rantings, in exchange for a few shekels at the end of the fiscal year.

[LarryBnDC]

https://exjournalistsunite.wordpress.com/2019/02/22/cant-believe-your-lying-eyes-it-depends-on-the-beholder/

[barton]

Other than that, though, it's a real emergency.  And an invasion.

heehee!

There is a virus of weirdness spreading...right now we have Richard Branson's live aid tuning up on the Colombia side of the bridge and on the Venezuela side, 300 meters away, Maduro's Hands Off Venezuela concert also tuning up.  War of the amps?  Woofermageddon? 

[REDSTATEWARD]

Another winning week on Wall Street.
Dow closed over 26,000