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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Gee,

1) all those other presidents managed to disbelieve bullshit when they heard it.
2) They managed to avoid saying to the press that they believed these liars.

2 different things altogether.  As we know, Trump speaks his mind 20 times more than others that held his office.

So in your mind it’s better that he sincerely believes despot strongmen (this particular one, a guy who had his brother killed via nerve agent) over his own intelligence agencies vs. it being a political calculation?

Nope

What I mean is that just because other presidents didn't say certain things doesn't mean they weren't thinking it.

And as we know the press grills Trump more than others due to his willingness to converse.

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Gee,

1) all those other presidents managed to disbelieve bullshit when they heard it.
2) They managed to avoid saying to the press that they believed these liars.

2 different things altogether.  As we know, Trump speaks his mind 20 times more than others that held his office.

So in your mind it’s better that he sincerely believes despot strongmen (this particular one, a guy who had his brother killed via nerve agent) over his own intelligence agencies vs. it being a political calculation?

Nope

What I mean is that just because other presidents didn't say certain things doesn't mean they weren't thinking it.

And as we know the press grills Trump more than others due to his willingness to converse.

So the argument is that Obama really did believe Putin and Kim et al over his intelligence agencies, just didn't say so.  Huh.

kiidcarter8, you are undeniably the king of bad takes on this forum.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/02/28/mark-meadows-2012-vow-send-obama-to-kenya-resurfaces/3013304002/?fbclid=IwAR3eX9uG8RAC8XvRxCUmlicTig2beJzkvOaDT18VPDVu9bTXxqSaflRJF5Q

"I'm not a racist."

"Well, okay, maybe just a little."

In a 2012 interview with Roll Call shortly after he made the remarks, Meadows said it was "probably a poor choice of words on my part more than anything else."

"I believe he's an American citizen," Meadows clarified at the time.

So he is willing to cater to his base with a racist comment he realizes is inapt and you are.down with that. Excellent.

Not only is he down with that, he thinks its exculpatory!

To update this:  two more similar videos have surfaced:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/28/video-mark-meadows-saying-send-obama-home-kenya-resurfaces-hours-after-hes-accused-racist-stunt/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.310656f7097d

[whiskeypriest]

Meanwhile....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjtlrOAuuHgAhUKGKwKHfmOAFgQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.azcentral.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Farizona-health%2F2019%2F02%2F28%2Fstate-rep-kelly-townsend-says-mandatory-vaccinations-communist%2F3018342002%2F&psig=AOvVaw1Tv4agi6LLbswi9OSicslm&ust=1551547236632890

[Yankguy1]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/02/28/mark-meadows-2012-vow-send-obama-to-kenya-resurfaces/3013304002/?fbclid=IwAR3eX9uG8RAC8XvRxCUmlicTig2beJzkvOaDT18VPDVu9bTXxqSaflRJF5Q

"I'm not a racist."

"Well, okay, maybe just a little."

In a 2012 interview with Roll Call shortly after he made the remarks, Meadows said it was "probably a poor choice of words on my part more than anything else."

"I believe he's an American citizen," Meadows clarified at the time.

So he is willing to cater to his base with a racist comment he realizes is inapt and you are.down with that. Excellent.

Not only is he down with that, he thinks its exculpatory!

To update this:  two more similar videos have surfaced:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/28/video-mark-meadows-saying-send-obama-home-kenya-resurfaces-hours-after-hes-accused-racist-stunt/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.310656f7097d

Nieces, nephews, cousins, uncles, aunts.....ALL BLACK!!!!!!

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/02/28/mark-meadows-2012-vow-send-obama-to-kenya-resurfaces/3013304002/?fbclid=IwAR3eX9uG8RAC8XvRxCUmlicTig2beJzkvOaDT18VPDVu9bTXxqSaflRJF5Q

"I'm not a racist."

"Well, okay, maybe just a little."

In a 2012 interview with Roll Call shortly after he made the remarks, Meadows said it was "probably a poor choice of words on my part more than anything else."

"I believe he's an American citizen," Meadows clarified at the time.

So he is willing to cater to his base with a racist comment he realizes is inapt and you are.down with that. Excellent.

Not only is he down with that, he thinks its exculpatory!

To update this:  two more similar videos have surfaced:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/28/video-mark-meadows-saying-send-obama-home-kenya-resurfaces-hours-after-hes-accused-racist-stunt/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.310656f7097d

Low hanging fruit

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Whatever bad takes/excuses kiidcarter8 might offer, this situation should make us all ashamed of this "president."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/01/politics/otto-warmbier-family-trump-north-korea/index.html

[kiidcarter8]

Lots of good stuff there - too bad its a pay site

[oilcan]

Meanwhile....

(from AZ Central report)

"Our country is sovereign, our State is sovereign, our family is sovereign, our God is sovereign and the most holy and sacred last frontier of sovereignty is our own body," Townsend wrote. "Folks, I am going to ask you to educate your children, educate your family, educate those around you about the fundamentals of liberty and what that means. It seems we have lost those fundamentals along the way and are chasing our fears."

My take is that she supports a woman's right to choose.  That's all I can infer from "last frontier of sovereignty is our own body...."

[oilcan]

Lots of good stuff there - too bad its a pay site

CNN is a pay site?? 

Well, just in case, here's the story at AP news....

https://apnews.com/16a42c5905934af6ab271f32405b3706

[kiidcarter8]

Lots of good stuff there - too bad its a pay site

CNN is a pay site?? 

No

and I dont expect it ever will be

I'd have liked to read the Ivanka story at the W Times

[NeedsAdjustments]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/02/28/mark-meadows-2012-vow-send-obama-to-kenya-resurfaces/3013304002/?fbclid=IwAR3eX9uG8RAC8XvRxCUmlicTig2beJzkvOaDT18VPDVu9bTXxqSaflRJF5Q

"I'm not a racist."

"Well, okay, maybe just a little."

In a 2012 interview with Roll Call shortly after he made the remarks, Meadows said it was "probably a poor choice of words on my part more than anything else."

"I believe he's an American citizen," Meadows clarified at the time.

So he is willing to cater to his base with a racist comment he realizes is inapt and you are.down with that. Excellent.

Not only is he down with that, he thinks its exculpatory!

To update this:  two more similar videos have surfaced:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/28/video-mark-meadows-saying-send-obama-home-kenya-resurfaces-hours-after-hes-accused-racist-stunt/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.310656f7097d

Low hanging fruit

Whatever that means.

Michelle Goldberg gets it exactly right here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/opinion/meadows-tlaib.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Meadows gets treated as the victim after his racist action is called out as racism.  White privilege in a nut-shell.

[oilcan]

Needs posted a CNN link.  You said, "too bad it's a pay site" in the following post.  Hence the confusion.

Here's a quote from the AP news for you:

Fred Warmbier described to Fox News in 2017 Otto’s condition when he returned: making an “involuntary, inhuman sound,” ″staring blankly into space, jerking violently,” and was blind and deaf, with his head shaved.

Doctors in Cincinnati said he had suffered severe brain damage, although they weren’t sure what led to it. North Korea denied mistreating him, saying he fell into a coma that resulted from botulism and a sleeping pill.

Hey, Kid, if you believe that, I have a buildable lot in an alligator swamp I'd like to sell you.  No one's contracted malaria this year, so the land value is all set to skyrocket, man!

[kiidcarter8]

I've read the Warmbier story, thanks.

Very sad.

Keep your kids close.

[barton]

Don't evade the question.  Is Trump justified in believing Kim Jong Un's statements about Warmbier?  Is any rational person?

Are the parents right to rebuke Trump?  Yes or no.