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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

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[josh]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/michigan-conservatives-vie-to-cut-democracy-from-classroom.html?utm_source=fb

Conservatives in Michigan (among other places) do not want to teach school children that America and democracy are connected at all.

The new standards, first developed by former Republican State Senator Patrick Colbeck and a group of like-minded conservatives, propose a few right-turns in the lesson plans of Michigan teachers from kindergarten through 12th grade.

According to the local nonprofit Bridge magazine, Colbeck and company’s plan would remove from the standards all LGBT references in the section dealing with civil rights, all references to Roe v. Wade, and would severely limit teachers’ ability to discuss climate change. Colbeck told Bridge that he personally added a zero-sum proposal about “how the expansion of rights for some groups [including immigrants, people with disabilities, and LGBTQ Americans] can be viewed as an infringement of rights and freedoms of others.”
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The proposed curriculum update in Michigan also falls in line with another type of push by conservative education advocates: cutting references to America’s status as a democracy. The first draft of the proposed changes in Michigan attempted to nix the word “democratic” from the phrase “core democratic values,” a slogan that defined virtues like equality, liberty, and diversity.
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Patrick Colbeck, the leading conservative voice in the argument, said that the term “democracy” was not “politically neutral and accurate.”

[arafura]

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[arafura]

Open borders seems to be the strawman of the year.   No member of either major party advocates an open border policy.  But clueless partisans keep insisting that's the case.   Zzzzzzz.

Allowing people to enter illegally and then disappear is indeed 'open borders'.
High percentage of farmworkers in CA are illegals...is indeed 'open borders'.
'Sanctuary cities' are indeed 'open borders'.

Then there are driving licences for illegal immigrants...all they need in some states to vote. More 'open border's.

None of those is open border.   N Ireland is an open border.  You just drive across, wave at the sign, go about your biz.


Where is Driver, btw?  Anyone heard?  And Whisky is pretty quiet.

"Virtually open borders".
"Much the same thing as open borders".
If you like.

[arafura]

About immigration from the American Enterprise Institute, which is not one of my usual go-to sources:

http://www.aei.org/publication/how-immigration-boosts-american-economic-growth-and-innovation/

'False' growth.
Just adding the bank balances of the immigrants to the economy.
Economic growth by productivity is what's needed.
Immigrants [illegal or legal] pouring in, competing for jobs, good luck getting a pay rise.

[arafura]

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/-korver-utah-jazz-nba

Two concepts that I’ve been thinking about a lot lately are guilt and responsibility.

When it comes to racism in America, I think that guilt and responsibility tend to be seen as more or less the same thing. But I’m beginning to understand how there’s a real difference.

As white people, are we guilty of the sins of our forefathers? No, I don’t think so.

But are we responsible for them? Yes, I believe we are.

And I guess I’ve come to realize that when we talk about solutions to systemic racism — police reform, workplace diversity, affirmative action, better access to healthcare, even reparations? It’s not about guilt. It’s not about pointing fingers, or passing blame.

Not quite "look out for yourself, because nobody else is going to."

I'm not responsible for anything 'White people' did, have done.
I'm only responsible for my actions.

[kiidcarter8]

"We let them die from malnutrition...."

Who?  Barack?  Never!

[kiidcarter8]

Ralph Northam, a pediatric neurologist, spoke favorably in January about state legislation to ease restrictions on late-term abortions. He said “a discussion would ensue” between doctors and the family over the next steps if an infant is born who is badly deformed or incapable of living.

So the elephant man can be put to death legally....

Got it.

[barton]

I am planning on banning 172.69.10.*

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You won't likely ban anyone here.   Those digits indicate a Cloudflare reverse proxy server which has been known to route Russian spam from St. Petersburg through Frankfurt AM and then on to CF in San Francisco.  (I've been a web admin, so I'm used to shutting off IP ranges)  Hope this helps.

[barton]

Ralph Northam, a pediatric neurologist, spoke favorably in January about state legislation to ease restrictions on late-term abortions. He said “a discussion would ensue” between doctors and the family over the next steps if an infant is born who is badly deformed or incapable of living.

So the elephant man can be put to death legally....

Got it.

Nope. You don't.  Refers to internal organ deformities that would not support life, except encased in medical equipment for a short and painful existence.  Infants in such a state have been allowed to die naturally, and this a compassionate measure.  Please try to understand issues rather than reflexively demonizing different opinions.  I know you don't like it when people do that to you.

[kiidcarter8]

Badly deformed.  Maybe read more slowly, Fink.

[LarryBnDC]

Badly deformed.  Maybe read more slowly, Fink.

Don’t have an abortion...

[facilitatorn]

Ralph Northam, a pediatric neurologist, spoke favorably in January about state legislation to ease restrictions on late-term abortions. He said “a discussion would ensue” between doctors and the family over the next steps if an infant is born who is badly deformed or incapable of living.

So the elephant man can be put to death legally....

Got it.

Since you clearly have as much empathy, compassion, good sense, and ability to reason as you do neonatal medical experience, I will surely take your word for it.

[facilitatorn]

http://video.vice.com/en_us/video/vice-mystic-demon-killer-homeless-filmmaker/5c5d94e0be40773bcc774261?&ref=vice

[barton]

Badly deformed.  Maybe read more slowly, Fink.

I did.  It's you who didn't comprehend my reply or bother to address my specific points on compassionate non-intervention.   If you ever want to grapple with the complex issues of medical decisions, regarding severe deformity and quality of life, I will be happy to have an adult discussion.  Or why Republicans only care about life when it's prenatal, but after that stage....the health and safety and access to decent housing and education and clean water for a child is of little concern to them.   IOW, if you're not conscious, the GOP is there for you.