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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13515 on: May 08, 2019, 11:44:07 AM »

Ilhan's mother's name was Hussein.

I'd like to ask you, in a spirit of open and friendly communication, to explain the significance of that piece of information and what your point is. 

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Re: Trump Is So Broke
« Reply #13516 on: May 08, 2019, 11:44:35 AM »

Trump is so broke

When he wants KFC he heads to the dumpster not the drive through

Melania has to steal her raincoats from the homeless

He had Don Jr. and Eric “intern” with Roy Cohn to cover his legal bills

He’s doing everything he can to get lifetime public housing before his temporary public housing runs out in 19 months

He’s thinking of enlisting in the army
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13517 on: May 08, 2019, 11:46:42 AM »

Ilhan's mother's name was Hussein.

I'd like to ask you, in a spirit of open and friendly communication, to explain the significance of that piece of information and what your point is.

Kid’s trying to say that she’ll make a great president.

She’s still young, Kid. Maybe in 2028.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13518 on: May 08, 2019, 11:53:45 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/08/only-one-democrat-fully-grasps-threat-trump-poses/?utm_term=.7b670b3a2ca3

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Warren has also pointed out more forcefully than any rival that Trump tried to derail an investigation not just into his own campaign’s conduct, but also into the Russian attack on our democracy -- which Trump has refused to acknowledge happened at all, hamstringing preparations for the next attack.

As McConnell’s speech showed, the GOP is all in with that as well. And the GOP appears all in with Trump’s escalating efforts to treat House oversight of the administration as fundamentally illegitimate....

Meanwhile, Trump may try to block former White House counsel Donald McGahn, who witnessed multiple Trump efforts to obstruct justice, and possibly even Mueller, from testifying to Congress. The administration won’t release Trump’s tax returns, violating the law. And Trump has vowed to resist “all” subpoenas.

Legal experts tell Adam Liptak that such wholesale resistance to oversight threatens the constitutional order, placing Trump, as one puts it, “above the law.” Few if any Republicans are raising an eyebrow about any of this.

Thus, Warren’s call for an impeachment inquiry is linked to a big argument -- one broader than that of any other candidate -- about how the GOP has actively enabled Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness, shredding of governing norms, and embrace of the corruption of our political system on his behalf.

Warren is comprehensively treating Trump as both a severe threat to the rule of law in his own right, and treating this as inextricably linked to a deeper pathology -- the GOP’s drift into comfort with authoritarianism...
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Warren’s Impeachment Call rests on only one underlying premise: there is no political risk for her since she doesn’t get a vote on the matter.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13519 on: May 08, 2019, 11:54:44 AM »

CANDACE OWENS SAYS IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF DONALD TRUMP DEPORTED ILHAN OMAR

https://www.newsweek.com/candace-owens-says-it-would-be-funny-if-donald-trump-deported-ilhan-omar-1417591

Not all women of color buy her divisive message of hate and self-loathing.
Actually, very few women of color buy Owen's divisive message of hate and self loathing. She exists as moral cover for people like you.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13520 on: May 08, 2019, 11:55:47 AM »

I dont think anyone ever denied Zimmerman had an anti-black bias.

This would merit an LOL response, if there was anything about it that was funny.

Kiidcarter8 can’t think of “anyone” when the correct answer is every one of his defenders denied it.  They were defending him, in fact, exactly because the case gave them a chance to make that argument.  The level of dedication to the defense of a man who murdered a child going on a skittles run can only be made sense of by looking at the race of the victim, and the investment the defenders had in arguing it wasn’t a factor.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13521 on: May 08, 2019, 12:02:47 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/08/only-one-democrat-fully-grasps-threat-trump-poses/?utm_term=.7b670b3a2ca3

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Warren has also pointed out more forcefully than any rival that Trump tried to derail an investigation not just into his own campaign’s conduct, but also into the Russian attack on our democracy -- which Trump has refused to acknowledge happened at all, hamstringing preparations for the next attack.

As McConnell’s speech showed, the GOP is all in with that as well. And the GOP appears all in with Trump’s escalating efforts to treat House oversight of the administration as fundamentally illegitimate....

Meanwhile, Trump may try to block former White House counsel Donald McGahn, who witnessed multiple Trump efforts to obstruct justice, and possibly even Mueller, from testifying to Congress. The administration won’t release Trump’s tax returns, violating the law. And Trump has vowed to resist “all” subpoenas.

Legal experts tell Adam Liptak that such wholesale resistance to oversight threatens the constitutional order, placing Trump, as one puts it, “above the law.” Few if any Republicans are raising an eyebrow about any of this.

Thus, Warren’s call for an impeachment inquiry is linked to a big argument -- one broader than that of any other candidate -- about how the GOP has actively enabled Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness, shredding of governing norms, and embrace of the corruption of our political system on his behalf.

Warren is comprehensively treating Trump as both a severe threat to the rule of law in his own right, and treating this as inextricably linked to a deeper pathology -- the GOP’s drift into comfort with authoritarianism...
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Warren’s Impeachment Call rests on only one underlying premise: there is no political risk for her since she doesn’t get a vote on the matter.

What political risk exists for her after she votes that does not exist after a publicized speech she made on the Senate floor calling for the impeachment inquiry?  Her position on the issue is clear, and well articulated.  If her intention was to, for some reason, hide her opinion from democratic primary voters, well...whoops.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13522 on: May 08, 2019, 12:03:51 PM »

Ilhan's mother's name was Hussein.

I'd like to ask you, in a spirit of open and friendly communication, to explain the significance of that piece of information and what your point is.

...all ears.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13523 on: May 08, 2019, 12:12:59 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/08/only-one-democrat-fully-grasps-threat-trump-poses/?utm_term=.7b670b3a2ca3

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Warren has also pointed out more forcefully than any rival that Trump tried to derail an investigation not just into his own campaign’s conduct, but also into the Russian attack on our democracy -- which Trump has refused to acknowledge happened at all, hamstringing preparations for the next attack.

As McConnell’s speech showed, the GOP is all in with that as well. And the GOP appears all in with Trump’s escalating efforts to treat House oversight of the administration as fundamentally illegitimate....

Meanwhile, Trump may try to block former White House counsel Donald McGahn, who witnessed multiple Trump efforts to obstruct justice, and possibly even Mueller, from testifying to Congress. The administration won’t release Trump’s tax returns, violating the law. And Trump has vowed to resist “all” subpoenas.

Legal experts tell Adam Liptak that such wholesale resistance to oversight threatens the constitutional order, placing Trump, as one puts it, “above the law.” Few if any Republicans are raising an eyebrow about any of this.

Thus, Warren’s call for an impeachment inquiry is linked to a big argument -- one broader than that of any other candidate -- about how the GOP has actively enabled Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness, shredding of governing norms, and embrace of the corruption of our political system on his behalf.

Warren is comprehensively treating Trump as both a severe threat to the rule of law in his own right, and treating this as inextricably linked to a deeper pathology -- the GOP’s drift into comfort with authoritarianism...
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Warren’s Impeachment Call rests on only one underlying premise: there is no political risk for her since she doesn’t get a vote on the matter.

What political risk exists for her after she votes that does not exist after a publicized speech she made on the Senate floor calling for the impeachment inquiry? 
She has no vote on impeachment so her political risk is zero in Massachusetts. She can plot a Presidential campaign without much fear of losing her Senate position. For the House Democrats elected in heretofore red districts the risk is much greater. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13524 on: May 08, 2019, 12:17:02 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/08/only-one-democrat-fully-grasps-threat-trump-poses/?utm_term=.7b670b3a2ca3

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Warren has also pointed out more forcefully than any rival that Trump tried to derail an investigation not just into his own campaign’s conduct, but also into the Russian attack on our democracy -- which Trump has refused to acknowledge happened at all, hamstringing preparations for the next attack.

As McConnell’s speech showed, the GOP is all in with that as well. And the GOP appears all in with Trump’s escalating efforts to treat House oversight of the administration as fundamentally illegitimate....

Meanwhile, Trump may try to block former White House counsel Donald McGahn, who witnessed multiple Trump efforts to obstruct justice, and possibly even Mueller, from testifying to Congress. The administration won’t release Trump’s tax returns, violating the law. And Trump has vowed to resist “all” subpoenas.

Legal experts tell Adam Liptak that such wholesale resistance to oversight threatens the constitutional order, placing Trump, as one puts it, “above the law.” Few if any Republicans are raising an eyebrow about any of this.

Thus, Warren’s call for an impeachment inquiry is linked to a big argument -- one broader than that of any other candidate -- about how the GOP has actively enabled Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness, shredding of governing norms, and embrace of the corruption of our political system on his behalf.

Warren is comprehensively treating Trump as both a severe threat to the rule of law in his own right, and treating this as inextricably linked to a deeper pathology -- the GOP’s drift into comfort with authoritarianism...
LOL
Warren’s Impeachment Call rests on only one underlying premise: there is no political risk for her since she doesn’t get a vote on the matter.

What political risk exists for her after she votes that does not exist after a publicized speech she made on the Senate floor calling for the impeachment inquiry? 
She has no vote on impeachment so her political risk is zero in Massachusetts. She can plot a Presidential campaign without much fear of losing her Senate position. For the House Democrats elected in heretofore red districts the risk is much greater.

LOL @ impeachment being a politically risky proposition in Massachusetts.

And question remains unanswered.  She has stepped out and made her view on the issue clear without casting a vote.  Why do you think an actual vote would matter?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13525 on: May 08, 2019, 12:28:59 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/08/only-one-democrat-fully-grasps-threat-trump-poses/?utm_term=.7b670b3a2ca3

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Warren has also pointed out more forcefully than any rival that Trump tried to derail an investigation not just into his own campaign’s conduct, but also into the Russian attack on our democracy -- which Trump has refused to acknowledge happened at all, hamstringing preparations for the next attack.

As McConnell’s speech showed, the GOP is all in with that as well. And the GOP appears all in with Trump’s escalating efforts to treat House oversight of the administration as fundamentally illegitimate....

Meanwhile, Trump may try to block former White House counsel Donald McGahn, who witnessed multiple Trump efforts to obstruct justice, and possibly even Mueller, from testifying to Congress. The administration won’t release Trump’s tax returns, violating the law. And Trump has vowed to resist “all” subpoenas.

Legal experts tell Adam Liptak that such wholesale resistance to oversight threatens the constitutional order, placing Trump, as one puts it, “above the law.” Few if any Republicans are raising an eyebrow about any of this.

Thus, Warren’s call for an impeachment inquiry is linked to a big argument -- one broader than that of any other candidate -- about how the GOP has actively enabled Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness, shredding of governing norms, and embrace of the corruption of our political system on his behalf.

Warren is comprehensively treating Trump as both a severe threat to the rule of law in his own right, and treating this as inextricably linked to a deeper pathology -- the GOP’s drift into comfort with authoritarianism...
LOL
Warren’s Impeachment Call rests on only one underlying premise: there is no political risk for her since she doesn’t get a vote on the matter.

What political risk exists for her after she votes that does not exist after a publicized speech she made on the Senate floor calling for the impeachment inquiry? 
She has no vote on impeachment so her political risk is zero in Massachusetts. She can plot a Presidential campaign without much fear of losing her Senate position. For the House Democrats elected in heretofore red districts the risk is much greater.

LOL @ impeachment being a politically risky proposition in Massachusetts.

And question remains unanswered.  She has stepped out and made her view on the issue clear without casting a vote.  Why do you think an actual vote would matter?
Because impeachment is not going to happen. Not to mention her “stepping out” has done nothing for her in the candidate polls.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13526 on: May 08, 2019, 12:31:35 PM »

All American Hero Liz Warren will get to vote on impeachment. If it comes to a house vote, it will pass. She’s setting a good example for all Senators who like herself will get to vote on sustaining or rejecting the House’s impeachment case. Roberts will preside over the proceedings.

Currently 40% re-elect 56% dump America’s biggest loser.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13527 on: May 08, 2019, 12:33:29 PM »

Trump is a wholly owned subsidiary of a foreign criminal consortium.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13528 on: May 08, 2019, 12:58:42 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/08/only-one-democrat-fully-grasps-threat-trump-poses/?utm_term=.7b670b3a2ca3

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Warren has also pointed out more forcefully than any rival that Trump tried to derail an investigation not just into his own campaign’s conduct, but also into the Russian attack on our democracy -- which Trump has refused to acknowledge happened at all, hamstringing preparations for the next attack.

As McConnell’s speech showed, the GOP is all in with that as well. And the GOP appears all in with Trump’s escalating efforts to treat House oversight of the administration as fundamentally illegitimate....

Meanwhile, Trump may try to block former White House counsel Donald McGahn, who witnessed multiple Trump efforts to obstruct justice, and possibly even Mueller, from testifying to Congress. The administration won’t release Trump’s tax returns, violating the law. And Trump has vowed to resist “all” subpoenas.

Legal experts tell Adam Liptak that such wholesale resistance to oversight threatens the constitutional order, placing Trump, as one puts it, “above the law.” Few if any Republicans are raising an eyebrow about any of this.

Thus, Warren’s call for an impeachment inquiry is linked to a big argument -- one broader than that of any other candidate -- about how the GOP has actively enabled Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness, shredding of governing norms, and embrace of the corruption of our political system on his behalf.

Warren is comprehensively treating Trump as both a severe threat to the rule of law in his own right, and treating this as inextricably linked to a deeper pathology -- the GOP’s drift into comfort with authoritarianism...
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Warren’s Impeachment Call rests on only one underlying premise: there is no political risk for her since she doesn’t get a vote on the matter.

What political risk exists for her after she votes that does not exist after a publicized speech she made on the Senate floor calling for the impeachment inquiry? 
She has no vote on impeachment so her political risk is zero in Massachusetts. She can plot a Presidential campaign without much fear of losing her Senate position. For the House Democrats elected in heretofore red districts the risk is much greater.

LOL @ impeachment being a politically risky proposition in Massachusetts.

And question remains unanswered.  She has stepped out and made her view on the issue clear without casting a vote.  Why do you think an actual vote would matter?
Because impeachment is not going to happen. Not to mention her “stepping out” has done nothing for her in the candidate polls.

You still aren’t making sense.  Yes, impeachment isn’t going to happen.  We know this.  Can you not answer my question, then?  If Warren were seeking the protection that there being no Senate vote on impeachment gives her, why is she doing everything she can to make her position clear despite that?

And the comments in question came yesterday.  Too soon to be reflected in any poll.  And she isn’t the only candidate (in fact, not the only Senator candidate) to call for an impeachment inquiry.

Here is what I think; you took the opportunity that someone was talking about Warren to make a snide comment about Warren’s positions being based on political calculations in a situation where that doesn’t make any sense, and now can’t defend what you said. 

There is plenty to justify an impeachment inquiry.  From the over 400 Federal Prosecutors who think Trump obstructed justice, to the multiple criminal inquiries currently under way, to the fact that just today Trump is making clear that he thinks the powers of oversight granted to the House by our Constitution do not apply to him.  Some Democrats may be making political calculation in not pursuing that impeachment inquiry.  Those calling for one are justified given the facts.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #13529 on: May 08, 2019, 01:09:38 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/08/only-one-democrat-fully-grasps-threat-trump-poses/?utm_term=.7b670b3a2ca3

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Warren has also pointed out more forcefully than any rival that Trump tried to derail an investigation not just into his own campaign’s conduct, but also into the Russian attack on our democracy -- which Trump has refused to acknowledge happened at all, hamstringing preparations for the next attack.

As McConnell’s speech showed, the GOP is all in with that as well. And the GOP appears all in with Trump’s escalating efforts to treat House oversight of the administration as fundamentally illegitimate....

Meanwhile, Trump may try to block former White House counsel Donald McGahn, who witnessed multiple Trump efforts to obstruct justice, and possibly even Mueller, from testifying to Congress. The administration won’t release Trump’s tax returns, violating the law. And Trump has vowed to resist “all” subpoenas.

Legal experts tell Adam Liptak that such wholesale resistance to oversight threatens the constitutional order, placing Trump, as one puts it, “above the law.” Few if any Republicans are raising an eyebrow about any of this.

Thus, Warren’s call for an impeachment inquiry is linked to a big argument -- one broader than that of any other candidate -- about how the GOP has actively enabled Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness, shredding of governing norms, and embrace of the corruption of our political system on his behalf.

Warren is comprehensively treating Trump as both a severe threat to the rule of law in his own right, and treating this as inextricably linked to a deeper pathology -- the GOP’s drift into comfort with authoritarianism...
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Warren’s Impeachment Call rests on only one underlying premise: there is no political risk for her since she doesn’t get a vote on the matter.

What political risk exists for her after she votes that does not exist after a publicized speech she made on the Senate floor calling for the impeachment inquiry? 
She has no vote on impeachment so her political risk is zero in Massachusetts. She can plot a Presidential campaign without much fear of losing her Senate position. For the House Democrats elected in heretofore red districts the risk is much greater.

LOL @ impeachment being a politically risky proposition in Massachusetts.

And question remains unanswered.  She has stepped out and made her view on the issue clear without casting a vote.  Why do you think an actual vote would matter?
Because impeachment is not going to happen. Not to mention her “stepping out” has done nothing for her in the candidate polls.

You still aren’t making sense.  Yes, impeachment isn’t going to happen.  We know this.  Can you not answer my question, then?  If Warren were seeking the protection that there being no Senate vote on impeachment gives her, why is she doing everything she can to make her position clear despite that?
She has no risk.
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And the comments in question came yesterday.  Too soon to be reflected in any poll.  And she isn’t the only candidate (in fact, not the only Senator candidate) to call for an impeachment inquiry.

Here is what I think; you took the opportunity that someone was talking about Warren to make a snide comment about Warren’s positions being based on political calculations in a situation where that doesn’t make any sense, and now can’t defend what you said. 
Say What?  There is nothing snide about stating the obvious.
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There is plenty to justify an impeachment inquiry.  From the over 400 Federal Prosecutors who think Trump obstructed justice, to the multiple criminal inquiries currently under way, to the fact that just today Trump is making clear that he thinks the powers of oversight granted to the House by our Constitution do not apply to him.  Some Democrats may be making political calculation in not pursuing that impeachment inquiry.  Those calling for one are justified given the facts.
Might want to direct your posts to Jerry Nadler.
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