Escape from Elba

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Poll

What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


Pages: 1 ... 933 934 [935] 936 937 ... 4288

Author Topic: Trump Administration  (Read 2087810 times)

REDSTATEWARD

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5939
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14010 on: May 20, 2019, 02:36:08 PM »

Quote
Ian Samuel has pointed out the remarkable fact that, thanks to the way the Senate is structured, the senators who voted to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the court received represent 38 million fewer people than the senators who voted against him.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/rich-white-men-rule-america-minority-rule

Yes, the court will occasionally manage to uphold democracy, but for the most part it has been packed with people who will interpret "democracy" as maintaining a structure of white male conservative hegemony.  As the quote points out, that structure is maintained by a Senate at demographic odds with the nation, whose majority represents a minority of the people.  God forbid we have the "tyranny of the majority" AKA POPULAR DEMOCRACY.
The Senate was not constructed demographically.

So What?

It wasn’t constructed as an elected office, either. First hundred years or so the Senate was selected by the state legislatures. People wanted to directly elect their Senators and it took an amendment to change the process but that provision also included a “race rider” saying the Feds couldn’t intervene in racist discrimination.

So if there was a provision in the amendment allowing states to bar blacks from voting isn't that a demographic consideration and if the construction of the Senate was previously redesigned why not fix it now and make it more representative of the nation?
The construction of the Senate was not changed by the 17th Amendment. Each State continues to be allotted 2 senators.  Only the method of election was changed.
The House is filled with representatives from districts whose numbers vary from state to state based on population.
Logged

Yankguy1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4981
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14011 on: May 20, 2019, 02:44:15 PM »

https://www.americamagazine.org/rha2019?page=1


Pro-choice advocates point out that one reason for that is that the very small fraction of abortions that are conducted at 21 weeks or later (a little more than 1 percent) are almost always in response to some medical issue. Those issues could include acute risks to the life of the mother or conditions that make the child unable to survive to birth—but they also include situations where the child would face a terminal condition, significant suffering or a severe disability after birth, and where abortion is chosen to “spare” the child such pain. However, some providers have acknowledged that they are willing to perform late-term abortions even absent medical necessity, though it is impossible to estimate how many late-term abortions fall under that description.


----




Does the R.H.A. define “human person” to exclude unborn children?


This is complicated. In addition to the provisions explicitly allowing abortion discussed above, the R.H.A. also modifies sections of the New York state penal code to eliminate references to abortion. Prior to these changes, the definition of homicide included causing the death of a person (defined as “a human being who has been born and is alive”) or of an unborn child if the woman has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks.


After the removal of abortion from the penal code, the existing definition of person as “a human being who has been born and is alive” remains—but because there is no longer any reference whatsoever to unborn children as possible victims of homicide, the law now effectively excludes them from the definition of “human person.”

Pro-life advocates have also pointed out that this change in the penal code means that domestic violence resulting in the loss of a pregnancy can no longer be prosecuted as severely as it has been. (It can of course still be prosecuted in the same way as any other assault against someone who is not pregnant.)

--------

Does the R.H.A. remove protections for an infant born alive during an abortion?



Yes. The R.H.A. repeals section 4164 of New York’s public health law. That section had provided that abortions after the 12th week of pregnancy had to be performed in a hospital, and that for abortions after 20 weeks a separate physician had to be on hand to provide medical care for any infant born alive during the procedure—which is a possibility, even if an unlikely one.

The now-repealed section also specified that a child born alive during an abortion procedure immediately enjoyed the protection of New York’s laws, and it required medical records to be kept of the efforts to care for the infant. Without section 4164, the public health law is now silent on the status of an infant born alive during an abortion.


------


The R.H.A. sets out the law’s purpose to secure for every pregnant woman a “fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.” The law also says that the state shall not “discriminate, deny or interfere” with these rights in any other regulations.


YEP - she can decide to snuff out the baby's life right up until delivery

Ridiculous


Mayor Pete and the others should be quite proud of what they defend to get votes.

George Zimmerman murdered a child who was minding his own business, in other words an innocent life.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

There are babies in cages on the Southern border for no good goddamn reason.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

The states pushing these anti “personal responsibility” laws for women in the name of preserving life also lead the nation in state sanctioned murder or capital punishment aka death penalty.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

Black boys being boys can be murdered by the police who are sworn to protect and serve but claim an 11 year old boy with a BB gun made them “fear for their own life.”

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

Fuck you and every other “pro birth and fuck everything and anyone else” defender of white patriarchy.

Thanks for bringing up Trayvon.  It was your campaign to destroy Zimmerman that got your cousin killed.
Perhaps, this wouldn't sound as bad if you linked to one of the stupid tweeters you follow. 
« Last Edit: May 20, 2019, 02:52:47 PM by Yankguy1 »
Logged
"What a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz."

LarryBnDC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11422
    • View Profile
    • The Shinbone Star
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14012 on: May 20, 2019, 02:56:20 PM »

https://www.americamagazine.org/rha2019?page=1


Pro-choice advocates point out that one reason for that is that the very small fraction of abortions that are conducted at 21 weeks or later (a little more than 1 percent) are almost always in response to some medical issue. Those issues could include acute risks to the life of the mother or conditions that make the child unable to survive to birth—but they also include situations where the child would face a terminal condition, significant suffering or a severe disability after birth, and where abortion is chosen to “spare” the child such pain. However, some providers have acknowledged that they are willing to perform late-term abortions even absent medical necessity, though it is impossible to estimate how many late-term abortions fall under that description.


----




Does the R.H.A. define “human person” to exclude unborn children?


This is complicated. In addition to the provisions explicitly allowing abortion discussed above, the R.H.A. also modifies sections of the New York state penal code to eliminate references to abortion. Prior to these changes, the definition of homicide included causing the death of a person (defined as “a human being who has been born and is alive”) or of an unborn child if the woman has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks.


After the removal of abortion from the penal code, the existing definition of person as “a human being who has been born and is alive” remains—but because there is no longer any reference whatsoever to unborn children as possible victims of homicide, the law now effectively excludes them from the definition of “human person.”

Pro-life advocates have also pointed out that this change in the penal code means that domestic violence resulting in the loss of a pregnancy can no longer be prosecuted as severely as it has been. (It can of course still be prosecuted in the same way as any other assault against someone who is not pregnant.)

--------

Does the R.H.A. remove protections for an infant born alive during an abortion?



Yes. The R.H.A. repeals section 4164 of New York’s public health law. That section had provided that abortions after the 12th week of pregnancy had to be performed in a hospital, and that for abortions after 20 weeks a separate physician had to be on hand to provide medical care for any infant born alive during the procedure—which is a possibility, even if an unlikely one.

The now-repealed section also specified that a child born alive during an abortion procedure immediately enjoyed the protection of New York’s laws, and it required medical records to be kept of the efforts to care for the infant. Without section 4164, the public health law is now silent on the status of an infant born alive during an abortion.


------


The R.H.A. sets out the law’s purpose to secure for every pregnant woman a “fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.” The law also says that the state shall not “discriminate, deny or interfere” with these rights in any other regulations.


YEP - she can decide to snuff out the baby's life right up until delivery

Ridiculous


Mayor Pete and the others should be quite proud of what they defend to get votes.

George Zimmerman murdered a child who was minding his own business, in other words an innocent life.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

There are babies in cages on the Southern border for no good goddamn reason.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

The states pushing these anti “personal responsibility” laws for women in the name of preserving life also lead the nation in state sanctioned murder or capital punishment aka death penalty.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

Black boys being boys can be murdered by the police who are sworn to protect and serve but claim an 11 year old boy with a BB gun made them “fear for their own life.”

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

Fuck you and every other “pro birth and fuck everything and anyone else” defender of white patriarchy.

Thanks for bringing up Trayvon.  It was your campaign to destroy Zimmerman that got your cousin killed.

White guy killed nine black people in Emanuel church after they invited him to fellowship and that was because another guy got away with murdering a black child?
That guy was pissed because he couldn’t laid.

Logged

kiidcarter8

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12267
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14013 on: May 20, 2019, 03:01:59 PM »

He was obsessed with the Trayvon-Zimmerman case and how George was being disrespected.
Logged

Yankguy1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4981
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14014 on: May 20, 2019, 03:03:18 PM »

He was obsessed with the Trayvon-Zimmerman case and how George was being disrespected.
Heh.  Never forget that Kid waves the foam finger for the "party of personal responsibility."
Logged
"What a beautiful buzz, what a beautiful buzz."

josh

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18995
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14015 on: May 20, 2019, 03:21:08 PM »

https://www.americamagazine.org/rha2019?page=1


Pro-choice advocates point out that one reason for that is that the very small fraction of abortions that are conducted at 21 weeks or later (a little more than 1 percent) are almost always in response to some medical issue. Those issues could include acute risks to the life of the mother or conditions that make the child unable to survive to birth—but they also include situations where the child would face a terminal condition, significant suffering or a severe disability after birth, and where abortion is chosen to “spare” the child such pain. However, some providers have acknowledged that they are willing to perform late-term abortions even absent medical necessity, though it is impossible to estimate how many late-term abortions fall under that description.


----




Does the R.H.A. define “human person” to exclude unborn children?


This is complicated. In addition to the provisions explicitly allowing abortion discussed above, the R.H.A. also modifies sections of the New York state penal code to eliminate references to abortion. Prior to these changes, the definition of homicide included causing the death of a person (defined as “a human being who has been born and is alive”) or of an unborn child if the woman has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks.


After the removal of abortion from the penal code, the existing definition of person as “a human being who has been born and is alive” remains—but because there is no longer any reference whatsoever to unborn children as possible victims of homicide, the law now effectively excludes them from the definition of “human person.”

Pro-life advocates have also pointed out that this change in the penal code means that domestic violence resulting in the loss of a pregnancy can no longer be prosecuted as severely as it has been. (It can of course still be prosecuted in the same way as any other assault against someone who is not pregnant.)

--------

Does the R.H.A. remove protections for an infant born alive during an abortion?



Yes. The R.H.A. repeals section 4164 of New York’s public health law. That section had provided that abortions after the 12th week of pregnancy had to be performed in a hospital, and that for abortions after 20 weeks a separate physician had to be on hand to provide medical care for any infant born alive during the procedure—which is a possibility, even if an unlikely one.

The now-repealed section also specified that a child born alive during an abortion procedure immediately enjoyed the protection of New York’s laws, and it required medical records to be kept of the efforts to care for the infant. Without section 4164, the public health law is now silent on the status of an infant born alive during an abortion.


------


The R.H.A. sets out the law’s purpose to secure for every pregnant woman a “fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion.” The law also says that the state shall not “discriminate, deny or interfere” with these rights in any other regulations.


YEP - she can decide to snuff out the baby's life right up until delivery

Ridiculous


Mayor Pete and the others should be quite proud of what they defend to get votes.

George Zimmerman murdered a child who was minding his own business, in other words an innocent life.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

There are babies in cages on the Southern border for no good goddamn reason.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

The states pushing these anti “personal responsibility” laws for women in the name of preserving life also lead the nation in state sanctioned murder or capital punishment aka death penalty.

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

Black boys being boys can be murdered by the police who are sworn to protect and serve but claim an 11 year old boy with a BB gun made them “fear for their own life.”

Just shut the fuck up about your “pro-life” bullshit.

Fuck you and every other “pro birth and fuck everything and anyone else” defender of white patriarchy.

Thanks for bringing up Trayvon.  It was your campaign to destroy Zimmerman that got your cousin killed.

No.

No more than it was Jews ownership of property that got them killed.

No more than it was Native American's objections to illegal siezure of property that got them killed.

You are as bad as any abuser who tells their victim, "don't make me hurt you!"
Logged
The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury." ~Lindsey Graham

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19794
  • Bust oligopolies not unions.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14016 on: May 20, 2019, 04:35:12 PM »

Kid fails to recognize that it is far crueler and more ungodly to raise a fetus republican than to abort it.
Logged
Republicans will deliver only poverty and world war

LarryBnDC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11422
    • View Profile
    • The Shinbone Star
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14017 on: May 20, 2019, 04:54:29 PM »

He was obsessed with the Trayvon-Zimmerman case and how George was being disrespected.


Gee, I guess Zimmerman should have received a ticker tape parade for killing a kid for no good damn reason.
Logged

whiskeypriest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1364
  • What does it matter? All is grace.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14018 on: May 20, 2019, 05:24:02 PM »

He was obsessed with the Trayvon-Zimmerman case and how George was being disrespected.
Yeah, and bin Laden turned against us because of our intervention in the First Gulf War and the presence of US troops in Suadi Arabia. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Logged
I like to think you killed a man. It's the Romantic in me.

barton

  • Guest
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14019 on: May 20, 2019, 05:33:33 PM »

Well, at least Kid posted something that wasn't a tweet, and contained an actual argument that referenced some facts about NY State's abortion statute.  For him, that was an intellectual quantum leap! 

Then he turned around and held Larry responsible for the Emmanuel Church murders.
No baby step forward without at least twenty backwards.



Logged

kiidcarter8

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12267
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14020 on: May 20, 2019, 05:49:45 PM »

He was obsessed with the Trayvon-Zimmerman case and how George was being disrespected.


Gee, I guess Zimmerman should have received a ticker tape parade for killing a kid for no good damn reason.

The actions of those protesting Zimmerman were OVER THE TOP and unwise. 
Logged

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3276
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14021 on: May 20, 2019, 06:11:46 PM »

He was obsessed with the Trayvon-Zimmerman case and how George was being disrespected.


Gee, I guess Zimmerman should have received a ticker tape parade for killing a kid for no good damn reason.

The actions of those protesting Zimmerman were OVER THE TOP and unwise.

Only white supremacists saw the incident as a call to arms.  Everyone else saw a racist idiot whose prejudice got an innocent child killed and wanted accountability for those actions.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

REDSTATEWARD

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5939
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14022 on: May 20, 2019, 06:21:13 PM »

News Item - May 20,2019


The House passed sweeping legislation on Friday that would prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

The legislation, which amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964, prohibits discrimination of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in both the public and private sectors, offering civil rights protections in businesses, hospitals and welfare services. It explicitly states that individuals cannot be denied access to a locker room or dressing room on the same basis.


Of course the legislation is DOA in today’s Congress but it is hard to see why it would interest independents, Libertarians, or even Soccer moms to support democrats.
Logged

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3276
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14023 on: May 20, 2019, 06:32:27 PM »

News Item - May 20,2019


The House passed sweeping legislation on Friday that would prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

The legislation, which amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964, prohibits discrimination of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in both the public and private sectors, offering civil rights protections in businesses, hospitals and welfare services. It explicitly states that individuals cannot be denied access to a locker room or dressing room on the same basis.


Of course the legislation is DOA in today’s Congress but it is hard to see why it would interest independents, Libertarians, or even Soccer moms to support democrats.

https://www.prri.org/research/americans-support-protections-lgbt-people/
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

REDSTATEWARD

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5939
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #14024 on: May 20, 2019, 06:40:17 PM »

News Item - May 20,2019


The House passed sweeping legislation on Friday that would prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

The legislation, which amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964, prohibits discrimination of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in both the public and private sectors, offering civil rights protections in businesses, hospitals and welfare services. It explicitly states that individuals cannot be denied access to a locker room or dressing room on the same basis.


Of course the legislation is DOA in today’s Congress but it is hard to see why it would interest independents, Libertarians, or even Soccer moms to support democrats.

https://www.prri.org/research/americans-support-protections-lgbt-people/
Might want to read the legislation.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 933 934 [935] 936 937 ... 4288