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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[arafura]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw
Seattle is Dying

Absolutely terrible.
Not all of it looks like a rubbish dump, but much of it does.
People are too embarrassed to invite their families and friends to come see them.

The solutions are simple...but those running the city cannot or will not see.

The President should step in.

[LarryBnDC]

Josh thinks there were no fenced in kids when O was prez.  Funny.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-death-a-10-year-old-migrant-girl-died-last-year-in-government-care-officials-acknowledge-exclusive/

[REDSTATEWARD]

    Executive privilege is the presidential claim to a “right to preserve the confidentiality of information and documents in the face of legislative” and judicial demands.  Although such a privilege is not an explicit right the Constitution grants to the executive branch, its justification is rooted in the doctrine of separation of powers. The argument is that if the internal communications, deliberations, and actions of one branch can be forced into public scrutiny by the other two co-equal branches of government, it will impair the supremacy of the executive branch over its Constitutional activities. This is because the president benefits from the executive branch’s advice and exchange of ideas , and forcing it all into public scrutiny can harm the integrity of these discussions. Additionally, it undermines the ability of the executive branch to hold sensitive military, diplomatic, and national security information.

Of course, because executive privilege is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, its exact scope and extent is ambiguous and disputed. After all, it was not until the Watergate scandal in the 1970s that such a privilege of presidential confidentiality was first judicially established “as a necessary derivative of the President’s status in the U.S. constitutional scheme of separated powers.”  In United States v. Nixon (1974), the Supreme Court broadly established the reach and limits of executive privilege: the president can apply it when asked to share information pertaining to presidential decision-making that he believes should remain confidential, but it is not absolute and is subject to a balance of competing interests and needs of the respective branches of government. For Nixon, the interest of a criminal trial overcame his invocation of executive privilege, resulting in him having to hand over the tapes that brought down his presidency.   

  - from Penn Law Journal

The strong indication of impeachable offenses would overcome any similar Trumpian invocation.   And, as defined above, EP would in no way protect activity done as a private citizen.

Really.
Of course none of which pertains to anything I wrote pertaining to McGahn.

[whiskeypriest]

    Executive privilege is the presidential claim to a “right to preserve the confidentiality of information and documents in the face of legislative” and judicial demands.  Although such a privilege is not an explicit right the Constitution grants to the executive branch, its justification is rooted in the doctrine of separation of powers. The argument is that if the internal communications, deliberations, and actions of one branch can be forced into public scrutiny by the other two co-equal branches of government, it will impair the supremacy of the executive branch over its Constitutional activities. This is because the president benefits from the executive branch’s advice and exchange of ideas , and forcing it all into public scrutiny can harm the integrity of these discussions. Additionally, it undermines the ability of the executive branch to hold sensitive military, diplomatic, and national security information.

Of course, because executive privilege is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, its exact scope and extent is ambiguous and disputed. After all, it was not until the Watergate scandal in the 1970s that such a privilege of presidential confidentiality was first judicially established “as a necessary derivative of the President’s status in the U.S. constitutional scheme of separated powers.”  In United States v. Nixon (1974), the Supreme Court broadly established the reach and limits of executive privilege: the president can apply it when asked to share information pertaining to presidential decision-making that he believes should remain confidential, but it is not absolute and is subject to a balance of competing interests and needs of the respective branches of government. For Nixon, the interest of a criminal trial overcame his invocation of executive privilege, resulting in him having to hand over the tapes that brought down his presidency.   

  - from Penn Law Journal

The strong indication of impeachable offenses would overcome any similar Trumpian invocation.   And, as defined above, EP would in no way protect activity done as a private citizen.

Really.
Of course all of which pertains to everything I wrote pertaining to McGahn.

FIFY.

[REDSTATEWARD]

    Executive privilege is the presidential claim to a “right to preserve the confidentiality of information and documents in the face of legislative” and judicial demands.  Although such a privilege is not an explicit right the Constitution grants to the executive branch, its justification is rooted in the doctrine of separation of powers. The argument is that if the internal communications, deliberations, and actions of one branch can be forced into public scrutiny by the other two co-equal branches of government, it will impair the supremacy of the executive branch over its Constitutional activities. This is because the president benefits from the executive branch’s advice and exchange of ideas , and forcing it all into public scrutiny can harm the integrity of these discussions. Additionally, it undermines the ability of the executive branch to hold sensitive military, diplomatic, and national security information.

Of course, because executive privilege is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, its exact scope and extent is ambiguous and disputed. After all, it was not until the Watergate scandal in the 1970s that such a privilege of presidential confidentiality was first judicially established “as a necessary derivative of the President’s status in the U.S. constitutional scheme of separated powers.”  In United States v. Nixon (1974), the Supreme Court broadly established the reach and limits of executive privilege: the president can apply it when asked to share information pertaining to presidential decision-making that he believes should remain confidential, but it is not absolute and is subject to a balance of competing interests and needs of the respective branches of government. For Nixon, the interest of a criminal trial overcame his invocation of executive privilege, resulting in him having to hand over the tapes that brought down his presidency.   

  - from Penn Law Journal

The strong indication of impeachable offenses would overcome any similar Trumpian invocation.   And, as defined above, EP would in no way protect activity done as a private citizen.

Really.
Of course all of which pertains to everything I wrote pertaining to McGahn.

FIFY.

LOL
A really good editor would have saved you from the embarrassment you just justified.

[FlyingVProd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw
Seattle is Dying

Absolutely terrible.
Not all of it looks like a rubbish dump, but much of it does.
People are too embarrassed to invite their families and friends to come see them.

The solutions are simple...but those running the city cannot or will not see.

The President should step in.

As the jobs have all left to communist slavery in China, some people have sunk to the level of dealing drugs to survive, and they flood our cities with drugs. And there is a whole thug culture of drug dealers and drug users, and the rappers sing songs about flooding the streets with drugs, and about using drugs, and about pimping out our women to pay for drugs, etc.

And our enemies are selling drugs to our people to buy weapons to use against us. The Muslims are selling heroin to our people, and Afghanistan is the world's largest supplier of heroin. And the terrorists in Colombia, the FARC and the ELN sold cocaine in the USA with the help of the Bloods and the Crips, etc. The people flooding our streets with meth are not good people. And I view drugs as being  a tool of satan, I have seen some horrible things.

So we have two things, we have unemployed desperate people, and we have our enemies who are flooding our streets with drugs.

Of note too, is that we have people who are good honest people whom have become unemployed and homeless, and many people develop mental illness, so you have good people who are out on the streets homeless and mentally ill.

I can tell you what Anaheim is doing to help people, right now, today.

Anaheim is opening shelters to get the homeless people off of the streets to help them, and then Anaheim is enforcing rules to keep the homeless people from setting up tents in public places, etc. In the homeless shelters there are people to help the homeless people. If they are addicted to drugs then there are people from N/A and A/A and from other groups to help them. If you simply need a job, there are people who help you to get a job. People help you transfer from the homeless shelters into housing. If you are disabled, then people help you to get disability checks and housing assistance. If you are a homeless Veteran, you are helped. And mental health wellness centers are being opened, where housing and drug use and other issues are being addressed. So, you have places to help the people, and the people are being helped.

Meanwhile we need to bring the jobs back to the USA, we need new trade deals with China, and with others, and we need fair trade, if you want us to buy your stuff, then you need to buy our stuff. Our people need jobs too, just like your people.

And we need to stop the flow of illegal drugs into our nation. We need to get the people of Afghanistan to grow cotton instead of heroin, and we need to stop the heroin from Afghanistan from entering our nation. And we have made a lot of progress on the issue of cocaine, we work together with Colombia and others to stop the flow of cocaine into our country. And we need to address the opioid epidemic and the spread of meth.

As we deal with the current generation of adults, we must also deal with the children who are the future, we need to teach the children to say "NO!" to drugs, and we need to attach all negative connotations to illegal drugs, we need to get the children to think of drugs as being bad, and dirty, be strong and say no. We also need to have early childhood development programs, and after school programs, and we need to teach the children music and theatre and the arts, and sports, etc. We must save the children, before they have problems.

For the people who end up in prison, we need programs to rehabilitate people, we cannot release people without having tried to help them. We need education and job training in the prisons. Women in prison can learn to groom dogs, and they can practice by grooming the dogs in the animal shelters for free, a good dog groomer can earn $50,000.00 per year. We need to do as much as we can to save the people who end up in prison so that we do not release them with the same problems that they went in with. If you can give someone a way to make an honest living, then you can turn their life around.

There is a lot of hard work to do.

Salute,

Tony V.

[whiskeypriest]

    Executive privilege is the presidential claim to a “right to preserve the confidentiality of information and documents in the face of legislative” and judicial demands.  Although such a privilege is not an explicit right the Constitution grants to the executive branch, its justification is rooted in the doctrine of separation of powers. The argument is that if the internal communications, deliberations, and actions of one branch can be forced into public scrutiny by the other two co-equal branches of government, it will impair the supremacy of the executive branch over its Constitutional activities. This is because the president benefits from the executive branch’s advice and exchange of ideas , and forcing it all into public scrutiny can harm the integrity of these discussions. Additionally, it undermines the ability of the executive branch to hold sensitive military, diplomatic, and national security information.

Of course, because executive privilege is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, its exact scope and extent is ambiguous and disputed. After all, it was not until the Watergate scandal in the 1970s that such a privilege of presidential confidentiality was first judicially established “as a necessary derivative of the President’s status in the U.S. constitutional scheme of separated powers.”  In United States v. Nixon (1974), the Supreme Court broadly established the reach and limits of executive privilege: the president can apply it when asked to share information pertaining to presidential decision-making that he believes should remain confidential, but it is not absolute and is subject to a balance of competing interests and needs of the respective branches of government. For Nixon, the interest of a criminal trial overcame his invocation of executive privilege, resulting in him having to hand over the tapes that brought down his presidency.   

  - from Penn Law Journal

The strong indication of impeachable offenses would overcome any similar Trumpian invocation.   And, as defined above, EP would in no way protect activity done as a private citizen.

Really.
Of course all of which pertains to everything I wrote pertaining to McGahn.

FIFY.

LOL
A really good editor would have saved you from the embarrassment you just justified.

Presumably a good editor would have told me not to have further discussions on the issue of executive privilege with an intellectually dishonest idiot like you, who neither knows nor cares what it actually entails. Which is good.advice, but sometimes I can't help myself.

[barton]

https://youtu.be/R6bHs8Vm3EQ

A soothing bedtime story for you, Redward.

You'd think " executive privilege is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution " would have been enough to sour him on EP forever.  When the topic here has concerned women's rights,  or voting rights, or LGBT rights, Red is a raging Originalist.   

[FlyingVProd]

Homeboy Industries is a good way to help people whom have had problems with crime, etc, they help people to do honest work for honest pay.

https://homeboyindustries.org/

And for the foster children there is CASA. Life is hard, and it is even harder if you do not have parents.

https://www.casaoc.org/

And there can be wellness centers everywhere, where a homeless mentally ill Veteran can walk in and receive help immediately.

https://patch.com/california/lakeforest-ca/be-well-mental-health-facility-will-be-first-its-kind

There is a charity group which gets jobs for the homeless people, the charity is Chrysalis.

https://changelives.org/

There are many things that we can do.

Salute,

Tony V.

[arafura]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw
Seattle is Dying

Absolutely terrible.
Not all of it looks like a rubbish dump, but much of it does.
People are too embarrassed to invite their families and friends to come see them.

The solutions are simple...but those running the city cannot or will not see.

The President should step in.

As the jobs have all left to communist slavery in China, some people have sunk to the level of dealing drugs to survive, and they flood our cities with drugs. And there is a whole thug culture of drug dealers and drug users, and the rappers sing songs about flooding the streets with drugs, and about using drugs, and about pimping out our women to pay for drugs, etc.

And our enemies are selling drugs to our people to buy weapons to use against us. The Muslims are selling heroin to our people, and Afghanistan is the world's largest supplier of heroin. And the terrorists in Colombia, the FARC and the ELN sold cocaine in the USA with the help of the Bloods and the Crips, etc. The people flooding our streets with meth are not good people. And I view drugs as being  a tool of satan, I have seen some horrible things.

So we have two things, we have unemployed desperate people, and we have our enemies who are flooding our streets with drugs.

Of note too, is that we have people who are good honest people whom have become unemployed and homeless, and many people develop mental illness, so you have good people who are out on the streets homeless and mentally ill.

I can tell you what Anaheim is doing to help people, right now, today.

Anaheim is opening shelters to get the homeless people off of the streets to help them, and then Anaheim is enforcing rules to keep the homeless people from setting up tents in public places, etc. In the homeless shelters there are people to help the homeless people. If they are addicted to drugs then there are people from N/A and A/A and from other groups to help them. If you simply need a job, there are people who help you to get a job. People help you transfer from the homeless shelters into housing. If you are disabled, then people help you to get disability checks and housing assistance. If you are a homeless Veteran, you are helped. And mental health wellness centers are being opened, where housing and drug use and other issues are being addressed. So, you have places to help the people, and the people are being helped.

Meanwhile we need to bring the jobs back to the USA, we need new trade deals with China, and with others, and we need fair trade, if you want us to buy your stuff, then you need to buy our stuff. Our people need jobs too, just like your people.

And we need to stop the flow of illegal drugs into our nation. We need to get the people of Afghanistan to grow cotton instead of heroin, and we need to stop the heroin from Afghanistan from entering our nation. And we have made a lot of progress on the issue of cocaine, we work together with Colombia and others to stop the flow of cocaine into our country. And we need to address the opioid epidemic and the spread of meth.

As we deal with the current generation of adults, we must also deal with the children who are the future, we need to teach the children to say "NO!" to drugs, and we need to attach all negative connotations to illegal drugs, we need to get the children to think of drugs as being bad, and dirty, be strong and say no. We also need to have early childhood development programs, and after school programs, and we need to teach the children music and theatre and the arts, and sports, etc. We must save the children, before they have problems.

For the people who end up in prison, we need programs to rehabilitate people, we cannot release people without having tried to help them. We need education and job training in the prisons. Women in prison can learn to groom dogs, and they can practice by grooming the dogs in the animal shelters for free, a good dog groomer can earn $50,000.00 per year. We need to do as much as we can to save the people who end up in prison so that we do not release them with the same problems that they went in with. If you can give someone a way to make an honest living, then you can turn their life around.

There is a lot of hard work to do.

Salute,

Tony V.

According to the video, not much is being enforced in Seattle at all.
...and there are about 100 homeless people addicted to substances who are committing most of the crime...some 34, 64 crimes in recent years.
It's like a revolving door in the justice system there, allegedly.
The city should clean up the mess...it's a total outrage for a nice city like that to be a "garbage dump".
The 100 people should be relocated to re-education/rehabilitation camps in the 'mountains'.
Purpose built...medical professionals, no drugs, no alcohol, good food, warm beds, security...not a prison, but able to keep the mentally ill, angry, troubled folk off the streets and out of society [until they are 'cured'].

Americans forced to eat out of garbage bins...very bad...the President must act.

[arafura]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCiWVW2DK84
Mothers of children killed by illegal immigrants speak out.

[arafura]

One way to stop the drug trade in America and the rest of the 'Christian' west is to lock up in re-education camps in the mountains [as an alternative to prison and a criminal record]....all the people buying and using illegal drugs.

Lock up the dealers in prison.
Lock up the users in camps.

Wouldn't take long for the drug trade to stop, IMO.

[facilitatorn]

You can lock yourself up in a re-education camp of your own devising. Do the full program for twenty or thirty years and take copious notes so the rest of us can eventually perfect the whole re-education thing.

You can start a go fund me with a live stream or something. You’ll find great success.

[whiskeypriest]

https://youtu.be/R6bHs8Vm3EQ

A soothing bedtime story for you, Redward.

You'd think " executive privilege is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution " would have been enough to sour him on EP forever.  When the topic here has concerned women's rights,  or voting rights, or LGBT rights, Red is a raging Originalist.

Some penumbral rights are more equal than others.

[kiidcarter8]

Tony:  "We need to stop the flow of illegal drugs into our nation"



HOW?