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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

Easy to see why Red is so keen on shoring up his terrible incompetent minority’s firewalls. Voters are ready to destroy the GOP - with good reason.

http://thinkprogress.org/gop-tax-bill-was-a-bust-1f3a02d12037/

[josh]

democrat man bites progressive dogs.

Both houses of the democratic-controlled Nevada Legislature approved bill that would cast the state’s electoral votes for the presidential candidate who gets the most votes Nationally. However the democraticgovernor Steve Sisolak vetoed the measure.
.... joining other states in approving the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact could diminish the role of smaller states like Nevada in national electoral contests and force Nevada’s electors to side with whoever wins the nationwide popular vote, rather than the candidate Nevadans choose.”

Three cheers for common sense.

Whatever point you’re to make is nullified by your insistence on using the equivalent of a school yard taunt.

Have a seat fool.

Meanwhile Governor Sisolak used a high minded argument to defend a breathtakingly stupid decision, which is precisely why you support that dumb shit.

So take up your argument with the Governor.
But he did do the Legislature a favor by preventing it from passing an unconstitutional bill.

And your basis for believing that it is unconstitutional?

Is it more unconstitutional than the bills that dictate a state's EV shall all go to the winner in that state, in your opinion?

There is nothing unconstitutional about state’s requiring electors to vote for candidate who got the most votes in the state. It clearly goes against the US Constition to cast a state’s  electoral votes to someone who did not finish first in that state’s election.

"clearly"

Oh, where is that?!

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

12th Amendment:
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

[FlyingVProd]

The United Nations refugee program would easily pay for Cuba to welcome all of the people in the refugee camps, and they would have no problem with providing food for the hungry and medical care for the needy. Free food, housing, and free medical care, but you need to help the poorest of the poor. Cuba would welcome that.

Salute,

Tony V. 

[REDSTATEWARD]

democrat man bites progressive dogs.

Both houses of the democratic-controlled Nevada Legislature approved bill that would cast the state’s electoral votes for the presidential candidate who gets the most votes Nationally. However the democraticgovernor Steve Sisolak vetoed the measure.
.... joining other states in approving the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact could diminish the role of smaller states like Nevada in national electoral contests and force Nevada’s electors to side with whoever wins the nationwide popular vote, rather than the candidate Nevadans choose.”

Three cheers for common sense.

Whatever point you’re to make is nullified by your insistence on using the equivalent of a school yard taunt.

Have a seat fool.

Meanwhile Governor Sisolak used a high minded argument to defend a breathtakingly stupid decision, which is precisely why you support that dumb shit.

So take up your argument with the Governor.
But he did do the Legislature a favor by preventing it from passing an unconstitutional bill.

And your basis for believing that it is unconstitutional?

Is it more unconstitutional than the bills that dictate a state's EV shall all go to the winner in that state, in your opinion?

There is nothing unconstitutional about state’s requiring electors to vote for candidate who got the most votes in the state. It clearly goes against the US Constition to cast a state’s  electoral votes to someone who did not finish first in that state’s election.

"clearly"

Oh, where is that?!

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

12th Amendment:
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

LOL!

[arafura]

This apply to male victims in NZ too?
Domestic violence is a two way street.
There are abusive female partners.

[facilitatorn]

You’ll have to go and be the test case, Bambu.

Josh, Red is the town drunk. It is as useful to piss on him as it is to educate him. But if it makes you happy, have at it.

[arafura]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/900-migrants-found-texas-facility-125-person-capacity/story?id=63404988

This is another of those situations where the dolt-from-down-under will blame the migrants for putting themselves in that position, while Ward and Kiiiid pretend that these are not the desired fruits of the GOP's policies, Trump's policies, and the rest of us will understand this is morally bankrupt conduct by the government and its designated agencies.

MORALLY BANKRUPT.

Well, whose fault is it, in reality?
Their own fault, they're the ones who waltzed in unapproved/uninvited.
No Harvard degree needed for this one either.

The findings come as border patrol continues to grapple with record levels of migrant families crossing the southern border with hundreds crossing between ports of entry each day. Agents on Thursday apprehended a group of more than 1,000 migrants who crossed illegally in El Paso.

US army could build a tent detention centre very quickly.

There'd be no overcrowding with the 'open borders' people running the nation, they seemingly would open the gates and let anyone in.

Luckily, I won't be paying for the cost of the welfare etc for the migrant families crossing the southern border.
US taxpayers will though.

[arafura]

There's a simple solution to the overcrowding...an impenetrable wall/fence on the border...and the whole problem disappears.
...as happened in Australia when the boats arriving from Indonesia etc were turned/towed back.
People-smuggling trade, all gone.

Looks like Americans aren't going to vote for Trump again, for a second term as President...….preferring instead to basically vote for 'open borders', 'sanctuary cities', and 'anarchy'. Very expensive 'anarchy'.

[arafura]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-donald-trump-announces-tariff-goods-mexico/story?id=63388473


The move risks serious gains in the U.S. economy, as many economists believe American consumers always end up paying the price of tariffs on imported goods. But Mulvaney said Americans were already paying the costs of illegal migration.

"At any given moment, up to 100,00 migrants are transiting through Mexico on their way to the U.S. border," McAleenan said.

"The status quo is unacceptable and clear getting worse," he added.

(MORE: Private group unveils crowd-funded border wall, despite legal hurdles)

Under the new plan, the initial tariffs on all goods would be imposed on June 10. But the rate would jump from 5% to 10% on July 1 and continue climbing by 5% each month unless Mexico takes action to "dramatically reduce or eliminate the number of illegal aliens crossing its territory into the United States," according to a White House statement.

#####

Gotta try something drastic...Mexico hasn't listened to anything else.

[barton]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/29/it-is-increasingly-clear-that-none-you-read-my-report/

From the Petri dish.

[josh]

democrat man bites progressive dogs.

Both houses of the democratic-controlled Nevada Legislature approved bill that would cast the state’s electoral votes for the presidential candidate who gets the most votes Nationally. However the democraticgovernor Steve Sisolak vetoed the measure.
.... joining other states in approving the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact could diminish the role of smaller states like Nevada in national electoral contests and force Nevada’s electors to side with whoever wins the nationwide popular vote, rather than the candidate Nevadans choose.”

Three cheers for common sense.

Whatever point you’re to make is nullified by your insistence on using the equivalent of a school yard taunt.

Have a seat fool.

Meanwhile Governor Sisolak used a high minded argument to defend a breathtakingly stupid decision, which is precisely why you support that dumb shit.

So take up your argument with the Governor.
But he did do the Legislature a favor by preventing it from passing an unconstitutional bill.

And your basis for believing that it is unconstitutional?

Is it more unconstitutional than the bills that dictate a state's EV shall all go to the winner in that state, in your opinion?

There is nothing unconstitutional about state’s requiring electors to vote for candidate who got the most votes in the state. It clearly goes against the US Constition to cast a state’s  electoral votes to someone who did not finish first in that state’s election.

"clearly"

Oh, where is that?!

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

12th Amendment:
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

LOL!

Translation: "No, I have no basis for my claim that it is unconstitutional."

[FlyingVProd]

The United Nations refugee program would easily pay for Cuba to welcome all of the people in the refugee camps, and they would have no problem with providing food for the hungry and medical care for the needy. Free food, housing, and free medical care, but you need to help the poorest of the poor. Cuba would welcome that.

Salute,

Tony V.

The refugees can drink rum and they can dance the night away on the sand on the beach in Cuba, that would be much better than living in a United Nations refugee camp. Cuba has a fun culture which the refugees will enjoy. And the Cuban food is good too.

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/900-migrants-found-texas-facility-125-person-capacity/story?id=63404988

This is another of those situations where the dolt-from-down-under will blame the migrants for putting themselves in that position, while Ward and Kiiiid pretend that these are not the desired fruits of the GOP's policies, Trump's policies, and the rest of us will understand this is morally bankrupt conduct by the government and its designated agencies.

MORALLY BANKRUPT.

Well, whose fault is it, in reality?
Their own fault, they're the ones who waltzed in unapproved/uninvited.

Thank you for proving my point.

You are, of course, wrong wrong wrong.

You are wrong by morals and you are wrong by laws.

We, who imprison them, are obligated under both our law and international law to take care of these people. We are also obligated by the power of those with more to help those without, rather than imprisoning them and mistreating them.

You? You are a callous asshole with no regard for law or morality.

[josh]

There's a simple solution to the overcrowding...an impenetrable wall/fence on the border...and the whole problem disappears.

We went through this once before, Bambi-ignorance, and you said you got it, so let's try it again.

Let us suppose your impenetrable wall and let us likewise assume that while it cannot keep out either the majority of drugs or the majority of folks living here without appropriate documentation, that it can keep out those from the south.

This still leaves thousands and thousands of homeless, terrified people searching for safe haven. It is not in Mexico. It is not in Honduras. It is not in Nicaragua. It is not anywhere they could get to.

You would have them die, uncared for and unsupported.

Or, as you put it, "the whole problem disappears."

Simple.

[josh]

"Mulvaney said..."

Mulvaney has already admitted he lies for political purposes. You cannot use his words to form an argument.

Nor McConnell's.

Nor Trump's.