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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15405 on: June 20, 2019, 06:39:26 PM »

News Item


California begins purging inactive voters from registration rolls.
Could exceed 5 million past voters.


Gee.
A deep blue state follows common sense.

Selective quoting, much, Ward?

Lie, deny, and obfuscate, same as always.

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an effort to comply with federal election law and a court settlement with Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog.

...voters who do not respond in the next two federal elections must be removed from county registration lists.

Boy, that sure sounds aggressive.

And it sounds like they had no choice, so, no, Ward, "common sense" is no more in operation here than it was in Texas where the effort was shown to be racist and illegal. This case is compelled and will not be racist in either execution or motivation.

But let us know if you are ever willing to be honest.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15406 on: June 20, 2019, 06:42:45 PM »

S&P sets record, Dow within less than 100 points of its highest mark set just a half a year ago. Inflation steady and under 2 per cent. Rate cut May come next month. Economy doing super.

REDSTATEWARD thinks the Fed cutting lending rates is a sign that the economy is doing super.
So do investors.

Suppressing wages and benefits are also loved by investors.
Let us know when that happens.

Have a seat fool.

It’s been happening for decades:

The fact is that in the 1980s and beyond, public companies began embracing a very different idea as to the purpose of a firm:  the idea that the sole purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value. Then, as executives were compensated massively with stock options to sharpen their focus on increasing shareholder value at the expense of everything else, and activist hedge funds began reinforcing the focus with corporate raids on firms that didn’t buy into the doctrine, public companies began to focus totally on maximizing shareholder as reflected in current the stock price.

Previously, firms had sought to balance the needs of all the stakeholders—customers, employees, shareholders and the community. Workers were valued both as contributors to the gains that had already been made and as the creators of future growth. But once shareholder value thinking took over, workers came to be seen as expendable commodities, whose training for the future and career development were simply not their problem. No responsibility was felt to those employees who had helped create the wealth of the company




https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2018/07/26/how-to-fix-stagnant-wages-dump-the-worlds-dumbest-idea/
Notice the date.

What does that have to do with his point?

"It's been going on for decades."

So, when you  say "let me know when that starts to happen," we let you know.

Wages have been suppressed actively since ~1973, Ward.

Are you claiming they have not been? Are you claiming that Trump has fixed it? Are you claiming anything HONEST?!

No. But having had your fatuous question exposed, you try to obscure your meaning with distraction.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15407 on: June 20, 2019, 06:44:25 PM »

Euthanasia commenced in Australia the other day.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15408 on: June 20, 2019, 06:53:54 PM »

News Item


California begins purging inactive voters from registration rolls.
Could exceed 5 million past voters.


Gee.
A deep blue state follows common sense.

Selective quoting, much, Ward?

Lie, deny, and obfuscate, same as always.

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an effort to comply with federal election law and a court settlement with Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog.

...voters who do not respond in the next two federal elections must be removed from county registration lists.

Boy, that sure sounds aggressive.

And it sounds like they had no choice, so, no, Ward, "common sense" is no more in operation here than it was in Texas where the effort was shown to be racist and illegal. This case is compelled and will not be racist in either execution or motivation.

But let us know if you are ever willing to be honest.
Maybe I was a bit impetuous in equating common sense with democrats.
But, on second thought, I’ll stick with my post.
For the Record the Texas case involved “ naturalized” citizens .
The purging of other missing voters is  not affected.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15409 on: June 20, 2019, 07:13:12 PM »

S&P sets record, Dow within less than 100 points of its highest mark set just a half a year ago. Inflation steady and under 2 per cent. Rate cut May come next month. Economy doing super.

REDSTATEWARD thinks the Fed cutting lending rates is a sign that the economy is doing super.
So do investors.

Juicing the economy with lower rates is not a sign that the economy is doing well.  Its a sign the economy needs to be juiced.

When Obama was President your people were complaining that rate cuts were artificially propping the economy (easy money!) and that was immediately following a recession.  Now that they might cut rates again the economy is doing great!

A position that is as inconsistent as it is transparently political.

Let us not forget Red’s assertion the unemployment numbers under Obama didn’t count because they didn’t reflect those who had given up on the workplace.
LOL
Pretty sad when you have to make up arguments never made.
Except of course it is an argument you made repeatedly. But then, since the number of Americans not in the workforce continues to rise, it is consistent with your utter absence of integrity and intellectual honesty that you now pretend you did not.

You used to use the number in your signature.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15410 on: June 20, 2019, 08:07:25 PM »

S&P sets record, Dow within less than 100 points of its highest mark set just a half a year ago. Inflation steady and under 2 per cent. Rate cut May come next month. Economy doing super.

REDSTATEWARD thinks the Fed cutting lending rates is a sign that the economy is doing super.
So do investors.

Juicing the economy with lower rates is not a sign that the economy is doing well.  Its a sign the economy needs to be juiced.

When Obama was President your people were complaining that rate cuts were artificially propping the economy (easy money!) and that was immediately following a recession.  Now that they might cut rates again the economy is doing great!

A position that is as inconsistent as it is transparently political.

Let us not forget Red’s assertion the unemployment numbers under Obama didn’t count because they didn’t reflect those who had given up on the workplace.
LOL
Pretty sad when you have to make up arguments never made.
Except of course it is an argument you made repeatedly. But then, since the number of Americans not in the workforce continues to rise, it is consistent with your utter absence of integrity and intellectual honesty that you now pretend you did not.
LOL

The labor participation rate under Obama fell about 3% while the unemployment rate hovered around 4.7% in his final year. Since then the participation rate has fallen a total of one tenth  of a per cent while the unemployment rate is3.5.
You do the math. The economy now is at near full employment rate but many people on the  sidelines not participating can’t qualify for available jobs. Under Obama many were there to take early retirement.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15411 on: June 20, 2019, 08:07:44 PM »

https://wjla.com/news/local/supreme-court-rules-bladensburg-peace-cross-stand-public-land

The Cross can stand, 7-2.
Atheists not faring well this SCOTUS term.

Constitutionalists not faring well on that issue with this SCOTUS ever. The argument that it's an old monument, so we no longer care if it promotes a religion, is pretty specious, IMO, but the ruling was not a surprise.

A better argument would be that its primary purpose was to commemorate valor, rather than establish one religion as favored.   In this case, I can see both sides, but have a hard time really seeing this particular monument as an affront to the Establishment Clause.   If you put it up NOW, of course, it would be an affront to the EC.   The really specious argument in all this is that rejecting a cross is an attack on Christianity - I know Alito believes that, but I have to wonder if he's going to have a problem with taking down a memorial that has, say, a Muslim symbol.  That would be the test for lurking hypocrisy. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15412 on: June 20, 2019, 08:15:38 PM »

https://wjla.com/news/local/supreme-court-rules-bladensburg-peace-cross-stand-public-land

The Cross can stand, 7-2.
Atheists not faring well this SCOTUS term.

Constitutionalists not faring well on that issue with this SCOTUS ever. The argument that it's an old monument, so we no longer care if it promotes a religion, is pretty specious, IMO, but the ruling was not a surprise.

A better argument would be that its primary purpose was to commemorate valor, rather than establish one religion as favored.   In this case, I can see both sides, but have a hard time really seeing this particular monument as an affront to the Establishment Clause.   If you put it up NOW, of course, it would be an affront to the EC.   The really specious argument in all this is that rejecting a cross is an attack on Christianity - I know Alito believes that, but I have to wonder if he's going to have a problem with taking down a memorial that has, say, a Muslim symbol.  That would be the test for lurking hypocrisy.
You mean a Muslim Symbol erected on public lands, right?
Otherwise there is no Constitutional issue.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15413 on: June 20, 2019, 09:19:26 PM »

https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1141768741203718146?s=21

“President” Trump said in the most recent Time interview that he thinks he doesn’t need to appeal outside of his base, the 40% that support his reelect, to win in 2020.  Outside of that being I think an extremely problematic position for a sitting President to take (“I don’t need to concern myself with 60% of the country I govern”) I’m also pretty sure this is false, born of his living in a bubble of his own internal polling.

Trump’s base almost surely no longer consists of the rust belt working class people who are blue on social spending but red on social issues, as after promising not to cut spending on social welfare programs and raise taxes on the wealthy, as “President” he has done the opposite.  Even if you voted for him because Immigration is your top concern, what has he done to actually address this signature issue of his outside of shutting down the government so that he can fail to build a wall?

In 2016 he got to 46% by tricking some Americans into thinking he wasn’t a typical Republican. Aside from proving that yes he is completely unqualified and ill-suited for the job, he’s also shown that particular part of his sales pitch to be a lie.  And without that broadening of his base of support, depending on rabid Trumpist turnout to get elected won’t (I think) do it for him.

Even if we know kiidcarter8 will be there for him, with bells on.

You need to stop
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15414 on: June 20, 2019, 09:46:25 PM »

https://wjla.com/news/local/supreme-court-rules-bladensburg-peace-cross-stand-public-land

The Cross can stand, 7-2.
Atheists not faring well this SCOTUS term.

Constitutionalists not faring well on that issue with this SCOTUS ever. The argument that it's an old monument, so we no longer care if it promotes a religion, is pretty specious, IMO, but the ruling was not a surprise.

A better argument would be that its primary purpose was to commemorate valor, rather than establish one religion as favored.   In this case, I can see both sides, but have a hard time really seeing this particular monument as an affront to the Establishment Clause.   If you put it up NOW, of course, it would be an affront to the EC.   The really specious argument in all this is that rejecting a cross is an attack on Christianity - I know Alito believes that, but I have to wonder if he's going to have a problem with taking down a memorial that has, say, a Muslim symbol.  That would be the test for lurking hypocrisy.

Nobody is arguing about primary purpose. "In God We Trust" is not intended primarily to establish religion. The Chaplains in Congress are not intended primarily to establish religion, even as the majority resists tooth and nail having a non-Christian chaplain or even a visiting person running a convocation, at times.

I would love the test, but I don't know that we will get one of quite that sort.
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« Reply #15415 on: June 20, 2019, 09:47:09 PM »

https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1141768741203718146?s=21

“President” Trump said in the most recent Time interview that he thinks he doesn’t need to appeal outside of his base, the 40% that support his reelect, to win in 2020.  Outside of that being I think an extremely problematic position for a sitting President to take (“I don’t need to concern myself with 60% of the country I govern”) I’m also pretty sure this is false, born of his living in a bubble of his own internal polling.

Trump’s base almost surely no longer consists of the rust belt working class people who are blue on social spending but red on social issues, as after promising not to cut spending on social welfare programs and raise taxes on the wealthy, as “President” he has done the opposite.  Even if you voted for him because Immigration is your top concern, what has he done to actually address this signature issue of his outside of shutting down the government so that he can fail to build a wall?

In 2016 he got to 46% by tricking some Americans into thinking he wasn’t a typical Republican. Aside from proving that yes he is completely unqualified and ill-suited for the job, he’s also shown that particular part of his sales pitch to be a lie.  And without that broadening of his base of support, depending on rabid Trumpist turnout to get elected won’t (I think) do it for him.

Even if we know kiidcarter8 will be there for him, with bells on.

You need to stop
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Yeah!

Kiiid hates being accurately described in these posts.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15416 on: June 20, 2019, 09:47:25 PM »

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« Reply #15417 on: June 20, 2019, 09:54:52 PM »

https://wjla.com/news/local/supreme-court-rules-bladensburg-peace-cross-stand-public-land

The Cross can stand, 7-2.
Atheists not faring well this SCOTUS term.

Constitutionalists not faring well on that issue with this SCOTUS ever. The argument that it's an old monument, so we no longer care if it promotes a religion, is pretty specious, IMO, but the ruling was not a surprise.

A better argument would be that its primary purpose was to commemorate valor, rather than establish one religion as favored.   In this case, I can see both sides, but have a hard time really seeing this particular monument as an affront to the Establishment Clause.   If you put it up NOW, of course, it would be an affront to the EC.   The really specious argument in all this is that rejecting a cross is an attack on Christianity - I know Alito believes that, but I have to wonder if he's going to have a problem with taking down a memorial that has, say, a Muslim symbol.  That would be the test for lurking hypocrisy.

Nobody is arguing about primary purpose. "In God We Trust" is not intended primarily to establish religion. The Chaplains in Congress are not intended primarily to establish religion, even as the majority resists tooth and nail having a non-Christian chaplain or even a visiting person running a convocation, at times.

I would love the test, but I don't know that we will get one of quite that sort.
What’s the “ sort”you want.?
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« Reply #15419 on: June 20, 2019, 10:29:43 PM »

https://wjla.com/news/local/supreme-court-rules-bladensburg-peace-cross-stand-public-land

The Cross can stand, 7-2.
Atheists not faring well this SCOTUS term.

Constitutionalists not faring well on that issue with this SCOTUS ever. The argument that it's an old monument, so we no longer care if it promotes a religion, is pretty specious, IMO, but the ruling was not a surprise.

A better argument would be that its primary purpose was to commemorate valor, rather than establish one religion as favored.   In this case, I can see both sides, but have a hard time really seeing this particular monument as an affront to the Establishment Clause.   If you put it up NOW, of course, it would be an affront to the EC.   The really specious argument in all this is that rejecting a cross is an attack on Christianity - I know Alito believes that, but I have to wonder if he's going to have a problem with taking down a memorial that has, say, a Muslim symbol.  That would be the test for lurking hypocrisy.

Nobody is arguing about primary purpose. "In God We Trust" is not intended primarily to establish religion. The Chaplains in Congress are not intended primarily to establish religion, even as the majority resists tooth and nail having a non-Christian chaplain or even a visiting person running a convocation, at times.

I would love the test, but I don't know that we will get one of quite that sort.
What’s the “ sort”you want.?

Your density knows no bounds.

Barton wrote: "I have to wonder if (Alito's) going to have a problem with taking down a memorial that has, say, a Muslim symbol.  That would be the test for lurking hypocrisy."

I wrote: "I would love the test, but I don't know that we will get one of quite that sort."

You wrote: "What’s the “ sort”you want.?" (sic)

The sort I want is the sort that Barton described, which I said I would love.

Caught up, yet?
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