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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15525 on: June 22, 2019, 07:43:11 PM »

Besides being a Democrat and not Trump, what's the case for Biden? 

All I can come up with is that he was Obama's buddy and isn't as radical as many of the other Dems running.  Is it solely electability (more or less name recognition, at this point)?

But what is the affirmative case for Biden and what he would do?

He can win. There's the case. In a nutshell.
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« Reply #15526 on: June 22, 2019, 07:52:23 PM »

I'll agree with that

But Trump will  make it ugly.
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« Reply #15527 on: June 22, 2019, 07:58:10 PM »

I don't think KC grasps the legal problem of blocking a quorum in Oregon.

 Democrats hold a supermajority in both chambers of the Oregon Legislature but they still need Republicans to achieve the quorum necessary to conduct business, which is 20 members in the Senate.  Denying a quorum is an illicit attempt at tyranny of the minority.   It effectively shuts down the upper house of Oregon's congress and stops ALL legislation.   The fleeing senators are violating their oath of office and holding the rest of the legislature hostage.   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15528 on: June 22, 2019, 08:08:59 PM »



 Democrats hold a supermajority in both chambers of the Oregon Legislature but they still need Republicans to achieve the quorum necessary to conduct business, which is 20 members in the Senate. 


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15529 on: June 22, 2019, 08:15:50 PM »

Troopers "rounding up legislators"

I thought that Democrats were opposed to a police state.
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« Reply #15530 on: June 22, 2019, 08:21:00 PM »

Yet earlier, Kid, you say, "The VOTE is that they are NOT voting."

But what Bart describes is not just a protest "vote"  - it's shutting down all voting.  Voting, in this case, would be to show up in Salem and cast a vote against Cap-&-trade.

The senators are legally required to be in Salem and allow a quorum.  Law enforcement can legitimately compel them to be there.   Just as it would compel you to show up for, say, court business.   It's not a police state to have police enforce laws.   An oath of office is legally binding. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15531 on: June 22, 2019, 08:22:59 PM »

Besides being a Democrat and not Trump, what's the case for Biden? 

All I can come up with is that he was Obama's buddy and isn't as radical as many of the other Dems running.  Is it solely electability (more or less name recognition, at this point)?

But what is the affirmative case for Biden and what he would do?

He can win. There's the case. In a nutshell.

That's the case, but I think it is dead wrong.

His comments about (and ongoing pride in) his work with the segregationists will lose him too many progressives and too many Black and Hispanic voters to be able to beat Trump - but I think it will also preclude his getting the nomination.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15532 on: June 22, 2019, 08:24:41 PM »

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75 arrested at the New York Times, demanding that the paper treat the climate emergency with the necessary urgency.
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« Reply #15533 on: June 22, 2019, 08:41:06 PM »

Yet earlier, Kid, you say, "The VOTE is that they are NOT voting."

But what Bart describes is not just a protest "vote"  - it's shutting down all voting.  Voting, in this case, would be to show up in Salem and cast a vote against Cap-&-trade.

The senators are legally required to be in Salem and allow a quorum.  Law enforcement can legitimately compel them to be there.   Just as it would compel you to show up for, say, court business.   It's not a police state to have police enforce laws.   An oath of office is legally binding.

Addressing the missing Republicans, who may have been watching on the live feed on the legislature’s website, he said: "I beg and beseech my fellow legislators to come to the floor. If you’re mad, take it out on me. Come at me. Don’t do this to the people of Oregon.”



Interesting that they need to be implored.   I thought it was LAW.

Seems 500 bucks a day will be nabbed from their checks......

again - interesting

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/06/oregon-senate-republicans-leave-the-state-to-avoid-climate-bill-vote.html
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« Reply #15535 on: June 22, 2019, 09:07:55 PM »

Yet earlier, Kid, you say, "The VOTE is that they are NOT voting."

But what Bart describes is not just a protest "vote"  - it's shutting down all voting.  Voting, in this case, would be to show up in Salem and cast a vote against Cap-&-trade.

The senators are legally required to be in Salem and allow a quorum.  Law enforcement can legitimately compel them to be there.   Just as it would compel you to show up for, say, court business.   It's not a police state to have police enforce laws.   An oath of office is legally binding.

Addressing the missing Republicans, who may have been watching on the live feed on the legislature’s website, he said: "I beg and beseech my fellow legislators to come to the floor. If you’re mad, take it out on me. Come at me. Don’t do this to the people of Oregon.”



Interesting that they need to be implored.   I thought it was LAW.

Seems 500 bucks a day will be nabbed from their checks......

again - interesting

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/06/oregon-senate-republicans-leave-the-state-to-avoid-climate-bill-vote.html

It is law, but  apparently that is insufficient to convince them to do their jobs.

So, one implores them.
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« Reply #15536 on: June 22, 2019, 09:08:54 PM »

Why are the kids winning in these lawsuits - not just in the US?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-permafrost-idUSKCN1TJ1XN

The Canadian permafrost is melting far earlie than anybody projected.
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« Reply #15537 on: June 22, 2019, 09:58:07 PM »

Desperate Booker, Warren, and DeBlahzeeoh! Go after Joe. Why? Because he was able to work with the opposition.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/19/734103488/democrats-blast-biden-for-recalling-civil-relationship-with-segregationists

Hmmmm. Maybe, just maybe, that's how you get things done, dummies!

Poor Joe. Too old. Too dumb. Too secict. Too white. Not woke!

And leading all the polls.

"Kick 'em, when they're up, kick 'em, when they're down...we love dirty laundry."

What do you expect to get done in the Senate?

McConnell doesn’t give a shit about anything but the acquisition and accumulation of power. He is nakedly partisan and would the country to the ground before giving any Democrat anything.

If you go by the polls from this time in 2007 the 2008 election would have been between Hillary and Rudy...

Joe Biden is like a favorite cardigan; comfortable, familiar but a bit thread worn and if you wear it everyday it’s gonna fray and come apart.

Joe will be fine... for a while.

And Booker is a fucking idiot. Reparations? Talk about perpetuating victimhood.

Fuck you and your bullshit victimhood. The only hood in here is on your pointy little head.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15538 on: June 22, 2019, 09:59:15 PM »

Besides being a Democrat and not Trump, what's the case for Biden? 

All I can come up with is that he was Obama's buddy and isn't as radical as many of the other Dems running.  Is it solely electability (more or less name recognition, at this point)?

But what is the affirmative case for Biden and what he would do?

He can win. There's the case. In a nutshell.

He has to win the primary... I don’t see it.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #15539 on: June 22, 2019, 10:08:12 PM »

Why are the kids winning in these lawsuits - not just in the US?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-permafrost-idUSKCN1TJ1XN

The Canadian permafrost is melting far earlie than anybody projected.

Here's an idea...what about Al Gore stops flying around the world [oh all those carbon emissions] lecturing on climate change.
Also, the school kiddy climate change protesters be banned from having heaters, airconditioners, dryers, hair dryers, gas-guzzling cars driving them to school, phone battery chargers, flying off/being driven on holidays etc etc etc.
...for starters.
Then we old folks might join the choir.
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