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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17160 on: July 23, 2019, 05:37:49 PM »

Raquel Castaneda-Lopez, City Councilwoman of Detroit District 6
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#justice: Celebrating the passage of our amendments that will require all companies seeking to do business with the City any involvement with the prison system AND federal detention industry💪🏽

We know that these systems perpetuate the injustices and oppression of slavery. As a City, we want to make sure we are only doing business that reflect our values of equity, Justice and integrity.

Thank you to @marysheffield for your leadership on criminal justice reform w/in the City- wonderful to partner with you on this.

#womenpower #justicefighters #noprisonlabor #nodetentioncenters #closethecamps #peopleoverprofits #WeRDistrict6 #TeamRockyD6

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I am beginning to really love Raquel Lopez! On her page she has a video of her throwing your application papers in the air if you profited from detention centers, etc.

Send her our immigrants from our Southern Border who want to live in Detroit.

Salute,

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17161 on: July 23, 2019, 05:58:03 PM »

The argument against raising the minimum wage from no less than the great Socialist.

After taking fire for paying some members of his salaried unionized campaign staff the equivalent of the market rate of $13 an hour, Bernie Sanders had to announce “he will cut staffers’ hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hour minimum.”


Thanks Bernie.

An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.
Only if you misquote the facts. Which you did.

I was repeating your own post back to you.  If there is a misquotation of the facts here, its yours.
Lol. You added the words
An argument that workers can be paid the same salary for less work is an argument against raising the minimum wage?  Some logic there.

A worker earning $11 for 40 hours work makes $ 440. At $15 an hour he or she only works 29.3 hours to make the same wage. Who makes up the 10 hours of lost work?
Maybe the worker is better off mentally for having a smaller workload. But Bernie the Candidate
almost assuredly, is not.
Either he does less with less or pays more to only stay even in the workload.

I'm going to note a few things here.  But I'm going to start with this; the question I bolded is an excellent one!  And perfectly demonstrates why the reality is that (outside of a political campaign) in a phased in minimum wage raise worker hours aren't actually reduced.  The employer needs them! 
Only if he can make up the increased labor costs thru higher prices. If not say hello to automation and/or fewer workers.
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I'm also going to note that you didn't demonstrate that I misquoted you.  My "added words" actually perfectly encapsulated your argument, and you further elaborated on it by assigning it real numbers.
 So there was in fact no misquoting of the facts (just want to be sure that is straight.)
You Misrepresented Bernie.
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Now, I very much doubt that the original intent of your post was to say that Bernie's argument against the raising of the minimum wage was that he would now be left with an unaccounted for work-load.
Of course it was.
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 Your argument was to say that the workers are now left with an unintended negative byproduct of the higher hourly wage.

Intended consequence or not, the fact remains (again, not misquoted) that the same salary for less work is not an argument against.
It is to anyone who runs a business paying hourly wages.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17162 on: July 23, 2019, 06:21:08 PM »

Only if he can make up the increased labor costs thru higher prices. If not say hello to automation and/or fewer workers.

Unsubstantiated by the evidence.  And contradicted by the very example you are using, Bernie Sanders' campaign.  As you yourself pointed out.

You Misrepresented Bernie.

Nope.  You are the one who said the reduced hours were an argument against the minimum wage.  Not Bernie.

Of course it was.

Lol.  Yes, "of course" your concern was that the Sanders Campaign would run less efficiently!

It is to anyone who runs a business paying hourly wages.

Lol again.  Of course employees would argue against higher minimum wages.  Was that in question? 

The question was whether the side-effects of a higher minimum wage would have unintended negative consequences for workers.  You raised the Bernie Campaign situation as proof that it is. 

It isn't.

And BTW, nothing in this reporting of their final agreement about reduced hours:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-bernie-sanderss-campaign-organizers-reach-deal-for-pay-raise/2019/07/23/dbca3ac4-ace5-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.daa43925d93b

Calculation of hourly salary comes from taking the annual salary and assuming a certain number of hours worked, in this case 50.  They don’t get overtime, so any hours they put in more than that ends up reducing that calculation.  But the same is true of any profession that doesn’t pay overtime, and isn’t paid by the hour. 

So end result is Sanders ends up paying his workers in line with what workers for other Democratic candidates are getting.  Sounds like a routine negotiation between workers and their employer.  The lesson here, if there is one, isn’t that raising the minimum wage is bad, but that unions are a powerful tool for workers to negotiate better salaries and benefits.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17163 on: July 23, 2019, 06:22:10 PM »

It’s about what you spend it on

Trump gladly cuts tax rates. Gladly boosts vet dollars. And gladly agrees to fund the 9/11 first responders fund

It's about what you spend it on.

$750 per night per child that has been taken from their parent(s) or guardian(s)., but not for blankets or soap or toothpaste.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000006606430/migrant-children-detention-border.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&fbclid=IwAR0V4xbp4Rc9pT8cuy_YefTKFPS7B7LCbpSRUCBm9r8-tuVuEaqARz_6HVc

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"Trump proposes cutting $50 billion in medication benefits."

It's about what you spend it on.

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The Government Accountability Office says the military isn't doing enough to deal with the effects of climate change, after more than $9 billion in hurricane and flood-related damage to three bases in less than a year.

It's about what you spend it on.

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FY   Interest on the Debt   Interest Rate on 10-Year Treasury   Public Debt   Percent of Budget
2008   $253,000,000,000   3.7%
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2016   $240,000,000,000   1.8%
2017   $263,000,000,000   2.7%
2018   $325,000,000,000   2.9%
2019   $393,000,000,000   3.4%
2020   $479,000,000,000   3.6%
2021   $548,000,000,000   3.8%
2022   $610,000,000,000   3.8%
2023   $664,000,000,000   3.7%
2024   $702,000,000,000   3.7%
2025   $733,000,000,000   3.7%
2026   $762,000,000,000   3.7%

It's about what you spend it on.

In this case, more than tripling our annual debt payments (without reducing our debt) - and remember this is still with conservative estimates on interest rates.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17165 on: July 23, 2019, 06:32:08 PM »

https://boingboing.net/2019/07/16/not-napoleons.html?fbclid=IwAR1V1vMvRcZ6TmuMY2Y2zt1NiQAtGmqVBh7U2VGW4xxBk3jVX8sxrJimpxs

Lessons from testing decades of forgotten rape kits: serial rapists are common, they don't follow a pattern, they're not very bright, and they're often the same men who commit acquaintance rape

And if we had tested the damned things, we could have stopped hundreds or thousands of rapes.

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So rapists also aren't very smart about their crimes: their poor impulse control leaves behind plenty of physical evidence that can be used to convict them (Former Cuyahoga County prosecutor Tim McGinty: "These are not the Napoleons of crime. They’re morons. We were letting morons beat us"). They get away with it because the cops don't investigate rapes.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17166 on: July 23, 2019, 06:34:41 PM »

So this occurs in NO business settings at all?  Affects no small businesses in negative fashion?

Big picture, lad.  If people make a living wage, they have more disposable income which means they can purchase goods and services that small businesses want to sell.

Thalib says they need an $18-20 wage to buy milk and eggs

Stop telling me (minus a source or any context) what others say and tell us what you're saying.  And reply to what people actually post, instead of coughing up sound bites. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #17167 on: July 23, 2019, 06:39:23 PM »

So this occurs in NO business settings at all?  Affects no small businesses in negative fashion?

Big picture, lad.  If people make a living wage, they have more disposable income which means they can purchase goods and services that small businesses want to sell.

Thalib says they need an $18-20 wage to buy milk and eggs

Stop telling me (minus a source or any context) what others say and tell us what you're saying.  And reply to what people actually post, instead of coughing up sound bites.

Unsurprisingly, her quote was misrepresented.  Tlaib was saying that increased cost of living justifies the higher minimum wage.  "Everything has gone up" were her words, and she used the higher prices of milk and eggs as examples.

She was not saying that without these raises people would not be able to buy milk and eggs.

Contrasts with Trump, who did actually say that you can not buy milk and eggs without a photo ID.
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« Reply #17168 on: July 23, 2019, 07:26:57 PM »

Repeatedly, I have said here that we have a problem with our police departments, not just a race problem. Some have tried to argue that it is "a small number of bad apples," while I have insisted it is a systemic problem.

This is one illustration of how we know it is systemic. Detroit had more than 11,000 untested rape kits. Cleveland more than 7,000. Memphis more than 12,000. Houston more than 6,000. More than 12,000 in LA. Those are just the cities that shared their numbers. Maryland had 6,000. Georgia's over 10,000. 15,000+ in North Carolina. 9,000+ in TN.

Many states and cities have no inventory, no numbers. Over 200,000 rape kits went untested. All states. Almost all places that had had rape kits had a backlog of untested ones. All levels. Small towns, medium cities, big cities, state police.

Not one year or one period, but ever since the rape kits were introduced. Multiple generations of police.

We have a problem with our police.

Now we have to figure out what to do about it. While bills that require them to do their work, like this, on a piecemeal basis helps, it is not a solution.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/08/an-epidemic-of-disbelief/592807/

An Epidemic of Disbelief
What new research reveals about sexual predators, and why police fail to catch them


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From the moment a woman calls 911 (and it is almost always a woman; male victims rarely report sexual assaults), a rape allegation becomes, at every stage, more likely to slide into an investigatory crevice. Police may try to discourage the victim from filing a report. If she insists on pursuing a case, it may not be assigned to a detective. If her case is assigned to a detective, it will likely close with little investigation and no arrest. If an arrest is made, the prosecutor may decline to bring charges: no trial, no conviction, no punishment.
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Each year, roughly 125,000 rapes are reported across the United States. Sometimes the decision to close a case is surely correct; no one wants to smear an innocent man’s reputation or curtail his freedom because of a false report. But in 49 out of every 50 rape cases, the alleged assailant goes free—often, we now know, to assault again. Which means that rape—more than murder, more than robbery or assault—is by far the easiest violent crime to get away with.
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In a random sample of cases, mainly from the mid-’90s, they found that the notes from many police investigations barely filled a single page. In 40 percent of cases, detectives never contacted the victim. In three out of four, they never interviewed her. Half of the investigations were closed in a week, a quarter in a day.
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Within weeks, DNA results started arriving from the lab: More than a third of the rape kits were pinging in the FBI’s Combined DNA Index System, known as CODIS. Created in the 1990s, the database contains DNA profiles collected at crime scenes across the country, many of them linked to the name of a known criminal. Cleveland investigators were soon identifying rapists who had eluded detection for decades. “It was much more fruitful than we ever in our wildest dreams imagined,” recalls DeWine, now the governor of Ohio. Some weeks, Richard Bell, the prosecutor in charge of the task force, would announce 20 new DNA matches.
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Since Cuyahoga County began forklifting its kits, prosecutors have indicted nearly 750 rapists in cold cases and convicted more than 400 of them. (Detroit, which got a later start, has convicted some 175 men.) “They would never have resurrected the [closed cases] without this project,” Bell says.
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« Reply #17169 on: July 23, 2019, 07:30:24 PM »

All this talk about testing old rape kits is making team trump very nervous.
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« Reply #17170 on: July 23, 2019, 07:54:01 PM »

http://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog/where-backlog-exists-and-whats-happening-end-it

State by state information about the rape kit backlog. Some city details, as well.
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« Reply #17172 on: July 23, 2019, 07:56:10 PM »

So this occurs in NO business settings at all?  Affects no small businesses in negative fashion?

Big picture, lad.  If people make a living wage, they have more disposable income which means they can purchase goods and services that small businesses want to sell.

Thalib says they need an $18-20 wage to buy milk and eggs

Stop telling me (minus a source or any context) what others say and tell us what you're saying.  And reply to what people actually post, instead of coughing up sound bites.

Unsurprisingly, her quote was misrepresented.  Tlaib was saying that increased cost of living justifies the higher minimum wage.  "Everything has gone up" were her words, and she used the higher prices of milk and eggs as examples.

She was not saying that without these raises people would not be able to buy milk and eggs.

Contrasts with Trump, who did actually say that you can not buy milk and eggs without a photo ID.

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« Reply #17173 on: July 23, 2019, 08:01:24 PM »

Only if he can make up the increased labor costs thru higher prices. If not say hello to automation and/or fewer workers.

Unsubstantiated by the evidence.
LOL.  Substantiated squared.
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  And contradicted by the very example you are using, Bernie Sanders' campaign.  As you yourself pointed out.
Substantiated by Bernie  Sanders. 
You Misrepresented Bernie.

Nope.  You are the one who said the reduced hours were an argument against the minimum wage.  Not Bernie.
  Nice deflection. But in truth anyone with a brain knows that is exactly what happens.

Of course it was.



Lol.  Yes, "of course" your concern was that the Sanders Campaign would run less efficiently!
Ask  Bernie
It is to anyone who runs a business paying hourly wages.


Lol again.  Of course employees would argue against higher minimum wages.  Was that in question? 

The question was whether the side-effects of a higher minimum wage would have unintended negative consequences for workers.  You raised the Bernie Campaign situation as proof that it is. 

It isn't.
It certainly is unless you want to ignore basic economics. Raising the cost of labor results in higher prices, fewer jobs, or both.
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And BTW, nothing in this reporting of their final agreement about reduced hours:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-bernie-sanderss-campaign-organizers-reach-deal-for-pay-raise/2019/07/23/dbca3ac4-ace5-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.daa43925d93b
That doesn’t change anything about the basic laws of economics.
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Calculation of hourly salary comes from taking the annual salary and assuming a certain number of hours worked, in this case 50.  They don’t get overtime, so any hours they put in more than that ends up reducing that calculation.  But the same is true of any profession that doesn’t pay overtime, and isn’t paid by the hour. 

So end result is Sanders ends up paying his workers in line with what workers for other Democratic candidates are getting.  Sounds like a routine negotiation between workers and their employer.  The lesson here, if there is one, isn’t that raising the minimum wage is bad, but that unions are a powerful tool for workers to negotiate better salaries and benefits.
Try to get a grip on the terms salary and hourly wages.
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« Reply #17174 on: July 23, 2019, 08:07:34 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/23/trump-falsely-tells-auditorium-full-teens-constitution-gives-him-right-do-whatever-i-want/?utm_term=.c4ac5dab7969

P  S

So hard to use Google, I know, you poor suffering ignorant asshole.

I put the headline in without the dashes. I got this:
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/President-Trump-falsely-tells-auditorium-full-of-14117544.php

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Numerous viral videos show clips from Trump's 80-minute speech at the conference, and one of the most controversial moments came as he discussed Article II of the Constitution, which describes the powers of the president.

Trump lamented the duration and cost of the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election led by special counsel Robert Mueller, which he has repeatedly said found "no collusion, no obstruction."

"Then, I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president," he said. "But, I don't even talk about that."
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