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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[HamiltonIII]

"Cheney had his health problems."

Yeah. Especially during the Vietnam War.

[kiidcarter8]

Wasn't he AFFIRMATIVE ACTION at Harvard?

If so, you have just cited the most compelling single case for AA ever cited.

Harvard Law does not have an Affirmative Action program. Harvard does not need to to obtain diversity.
They use diversity as a factor in selection among people who meet admissions standards, but that is not Affirmative Action. It does not mean Obama was an Affirmative Action candidate any more than, say, the child of an autoworker would be. And he was probably helped more by his community organizer work.

BHO was both an affirmative action qualifier and a “legacy”(his biological father had gone to Harvard’s doctoral program).

Steve Sailor wrote on this issue. What it appears is that BHO had a mediocre academic record in prep school. BHO did well enough to get into Columbia as an AA transfer and got admitted to Harvard Law with an LSAT near the median of that class, but grades that were likely below the median.

I doubt very much that a student with BHO’s record without both AA and legacy status would have gotten in.




https://www.quora.com/Did-Obama-get-into-Harvard-via-affirmative-action

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Wasn't he AFFIRMATIVE ACTION at Harvard?

If so, you have just cited the most compelling single case for AA ever cited.

Harvard Law does not have an Affirmative Action program. Harvard does not need to to obtain diversity.
They use diversity as a factor in selection among people who meet admissions standards, but that is not Affirmative Action. It does not mean Obama was an Affirmative Action candidate any more than, say, the child of an autoworker would be. And he was probably helped more by his community organizer work.

BHO was both an affirmative action qualifier and a “legacy”(his biological father had gone to Harvard’s doctoral program).

Steve Sailor wrote on this issue. What it appears is that BHO had a mediocre academic record in prep school. BHO did well enough to get into Columbia as an AA transfer and got admitted to Harvard Law with an LSAT near the median of that class, but grades that were likely below the median.

I doubt very much that a student with BHO’s record without both AA and legacy status would have gotten in.




https://www.quora.com/Did-Obama-get-into-Harvard-via-affirmative-action

I’d laugh at your skipping over the answers that don’t match your preconception to find one person talking out of their ass, but your source is no laughing matter.

Do you know who Steve Sailer is?  Do you know what VDARE.com is?  Do you realize how your sources support Josh’s original characterization of your question?

The group has been described as white supremacist.[2] The Southern Poverty Law Center describes VDARE as "an anti-immigration hate website" which "regularly publishes articles by prominent white nationalists, race scientists and anti-Semites", including Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, J. Philippe Rushton, Samuel T. Francis, and Pat Buchanan.

[NeedsAdjustments]

"Obama got outsmarted"!

Dog bites man.

I'm confident that Obama could match intellects with you, let alone President Nitwit, any day of the week.

Proving what?

That, like Trump, you criticizing Obama's intellect demonstrates even further your lack of one.

Wasn't he AFFIRMATIVE ACTION at Harvard?

(a) Oh, look! A racial slur.

(b) Given how he did, what would it mean if he had been?

(c) What's your point in posting the question?

Maybe he will quote more White Supremacists to answer those questions.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Trump’s biggest supporter here is posting white supremacist propaganda on our forum but sure, let’s all pretend Trump’s support has nothing to do with racism.

No deplorables here!

[barton]

Wasn't he AFFIRMATIVE ACTION at Harvard?

If so, you have just cited the most compelling single case for AA ever cited.

Harvard Law does not have an Affirmative Action program. Harvard does not need to to obtain diversity.
They use diversity as a factor in selection among people who meet admissions standards, but that is not Affirmative Action. It does not mean Obama was an Affirmative Action candidate any more than, say, the child of an autoworker would be. And he was probably helped more by his community organizer work.

Thanks.  I knew, but couldn't resist making the point that, if an applicant had been AA, and then followed a trajectory leading to POTUS, it would not be too supportive of the right-wing narrative about AA.   

[kiidcarter8]

"Cheney had his health problems."

Yeah. Especially during the Vietnam War.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/01/us/2004-campaign-military-service-cheney-s-five-draft-deferments-during-vietnam-era.html

No health deferrments

[kiidcarter8]

Wasn't he AFFIRMATIVE ACTION at Harvard?

If so, you have just cited the most compelling single case for AA ever cited.

Harvard Law does not have an Affirmative Action program. Harvard does not need to to obtain diversity.
They use diversity as a factor in selection among people who meet admissions standards, but that is not Affirmative Action. It does not mean Obama was an Affirmative Action candidate any more than, say, the child of an autoworker would be. And he was probably helped more by his community organizer work.

Thanks.  I knew, but couldn't resist making the point that, if an applicant had been AA, and then followed a trajectory leading to POTUS, it would not be too supportive of the right-wing narrative about AA.

Harvard DID have AA whern Obama attended.  Not sure if this includes Harvard Law - but his AA was at Columbia, as previously cited

[kiidcarter8]

Harvard Law had an affirmative action program at the time that Obama applied but nobody except the admissions office personnel knows whether they used those criteria in his case, and those people aren't saying. We do know that before Harvard and other Law schools started to admit people of color and women, white men got into those Law schools through affirmative-action programs over black people and other people of color and women who were more qualified than they were. Once again, we do not know whether this was true in any particular case, that is, whether a particular white man would have been admitted independently of his race and sex.

[barton]

Very amusing that Red thinks a fluctuation in a weather pattern lasting a few weeks is more significant than a global temperature increase, enormous glacial and snowfield melts at unprecedented rates, ocean acidification, massive coral reef die-offs, intensified storms, massive migrations of species out of warming habitats...and not over thousands of years as climate shifts have formerly taken place between ice ages, but rather following a curve predicted early in the Industrial Revolution by Svante Arrhenius and later confirmed by Keeling in the 1950s, and accelerating due to ever greater CO2 and methane rises predicted (and warned about,) in the 1970s.   

Usually, when scientific predictions and mountains of new data match this well, it compels people to recognize established facts.   As the IPCC has shown in their latest reports, anthropogenic GW has moved from speculative theory to well-supported fact, and the evidence is screaming at us from every direction.   Even from my little corner of the globe which, back in the 1950s, had no mosquitoes.   And was advertized to tourists as such. 

[Yankguy1]

I think we should add Kid to the names of Red and Trump as folks that Obama would be happy to match wits with any day of the week. Then we could be done with the matter and Kid can go back to watching true intellects like Brian Kilmeade and Sean Hannity.

[bankshot1]

Kid

with all the challenges we as a nation face, both domestic and foreign, and social,  political and economic, what is the possible relevance of Obama's school days at Harvard and the goal of creating a stronger nation?

[REDSTATEWARD]

Very amusing that Red thinks a fluctuation in a weather pattern lasting a few weeks is more significant than a global temperature increase, enormous glacial and snowfield melts at unprecedented rates, ocean acidification, massive coral reef die-offs, intensified storms, massive migrations of species out of warming habitats...and not over thousands of years as climate shifts have formerly taken place between ice ages, but rather following a curve predicted early in the Industrial Revolution by Svante Arrhenius and later confirmed by Keeling in the 1950s, and accelerating due to ever greater CO2 and methane rises predicted (and warned about,) in the 1970s.   

Usually, when scientific predictions and mountains of new data match this well, it compels people to recognize established facts.   As the IPCC has shown in their latest reports, anthropogenic GW has moved from speculative theory to well-supported fact, and the evidence is screaming at us from every direction.   Even from my little corner of the globe which, back in the 1950s, had no mosquitoes.   And was advertized to tourists as such.

I never questioned Climate Change.

[josh]

"Cheney had his health problems."

Yeah. Especially during the Vietnam War.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/01/us/2004-campaign-military-service-cheney-s-five-draft-deferments-during-vietnam-era.html

No health deferrments

Pay site.

[Hairy Lime]

Harvard Law had an affirmative action program at the time that Obama applied but nobody except the admissions office personnel knows whether they used those criteria in his case, and those people aren't saying. We do know that before Harvard and other Law schools started to admit people of color and women, white men got into those Law schools through affirmative-action programs over black people and other people of color and women who were more qualified than they were. Once again, we do not know whether this was true in any particular case, that is, whether a particular white man would have been admitted independently of his race and sex.

Get that from your white supremicist web site? Harvard Law never had an Affirmitive Action policy because they did not need one to establish diversity. They get all of the best applicants in the country and can have a diverse student body without changing admissions standards.

Once.again, other than his race, why do you think Obama was an Affirmitive Action candidate?