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oilcanopy

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2020, 05:41:56 PM »

There's also a modified form of ibogaine that could help addicts....

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/944572325/progress-toward-a-safer-psychedelic-drug-to-treat-depression-and-addiction

For addicts who want to make the move away from the monkey,  this compound could be made available at treatment centers where they're getting their fix. 
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2020, 11:32:16 PM »

Also - that said - you cant simply refute the link between narcotics use and crime. 

Since narcotics use has been made illegal, the two are intertwined.

Otherwise, once you criminalize ordinary behavior, which marijuana and other drug use is for many, police become the enemy, people are under threat of arrest at all times, respect for the law goes down.  You're already a criminal in the eyes of the law, so venturing into physical crime is easy.

Further the relative high cost of drugs, which is largely due to their criminal status and the risks involved, leads users to commit crimes to afford the inflated prices of illegal drugs.  And since there is a lot of money involved in drug dealing, guns and violence get involved.

Again, cut out the violent criminal middlemen.
Moreover, once you put someone in jail for drug-related offenses, the incarceration costs run about $40K per year, oddly keeping in sync with college tuition.  Not to mention police and court costs.  Drug treatment centers have to be a cheaper more humane alternative.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2020, 02:20:52 AM »

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serving a 90-year prison sentence for selling marijuana, 71-year-old Richard DeLisi ... walked out of a Florida prison Tuesday morning ... after serving 31 years. DeLisi was believed to be the longest-serving nonviolent cannabis prisoner, according to the The Last Prisoner Project which championed his release.

Jeez.
31 years in jail for selling marijuana.
Got a 90 year sentence (he thinks the judge assumed he was tied to the Mafia since he was an Italian guy from NY).

https://apnews.com/article/accidents-fort-lauderdale-florida-marijuana-us-news-76190f0570f1ffbd2b3b7dd788d561f0

What a misguided waste of gov't resources.
Be interesting to see what his 31 years of incarceration cost (while serving no purpose).
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Re: Drugs
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2020, 07:39:10 PM »

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Re: Drugs
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2020, 10:15:13 PM »

Your mom says itís $2.50 you owe her now. She will cut you on principle.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2020, 12:29:50 AM »

Since narcotics use has been made illegal, the two are intertwined.


Use a little bit more thought

Legal or otherwise, there is a resulting cost to addiction.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2020, 12:31:27 AM »

$2.75
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2020, 12:53:48 AM »

Stop making facile comments.

Of course there is a cost to addiction, but supply, demand, usage, addiction is pretty high despite criminalization.   Gee, maybe drug prohibition is not working, while ruining the lives of non-violent people exercising their liberty.  There already is an addiction problem, sure it will likely grow if legalization/decriminalization takes hold, but it's just going to be a degree greater than what already exists.

How come the gov't can't tell you to wear a mask, but they can tell you what plant materials you can put in your body?  What about personal responsibility?  Freedom?  Government overreach?  Extensive police powers?

Mask mandates and lockdowns are only temporary, in response to a novel health threat, putting almost no one in jail for non-compliance, and protecting the health of others/society.  Drug laws are an on-going half-century failure, extensive police abuse, throwing lots of folks in prison cages, and mainly designed to stop folks from harming themselves. 
How is any of that justified?

Try to give an honest answer addressing the question directly.

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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2020, 02:19:07 AM »

If whitey has no other way of keeping the browns down, whitey can always fall back on his drug problem and addiction to seeing the issue just that one way.
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2020, 01:27:24 PM »

Stop making facile comments.

Of course there is a cost to addiction, but supply, demand, usage, addiction is pretty high despite criminalization.   Gee, maybe drug prohibition is not working, while ruining the lives of non-violent people exercising their liberty.  There already is an addiction problem, sure it will likely grow if legalization/decriminalization takes hold, but it's just going to be a degree greater than what already exists.

How come the gov't can't tell you to wear a mask, but they can tell you what plant materials you can put in your body?  What about personal responsibility?  Freedom?  Government overreach?  Extensive police powers?

Mask mandates and lockdowns are only temporary, in response to a novel health threat, putting almost no one in jail for non-compliance, and protecting the health of others/society.  Drug laws are an on-going half-century failure, extensive police abuse, throwing lots of folks in prison cages, and mainly designed to stop folks from harming themselves. 
How is any of that justified?

Try to give an honest answer addressing the question directly.

(snicker)

If you do get one, it will be a glib one-liner that successfully ignores most of the points you raise. 

As for libertarian arguments, the GOP is libertarian only when it suits them, i.e. when they can score cheap points on progs.

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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2020, 01:47:14 AM »

There is a definite opening for those mainly on the left who believe in decriminalizing drugs and libertarians (mainly on the right) who believe in personal freedom and minimal gov't regulation to make common cause and end the half century failed Drug Prohibition regime. 

End the over-policing, corruption, mass incarceration, criminal gang profits, destruction of countries south of the US, disrespect for law, war on your own citizens, reduce racist enforcement, etc.  Recognize addiction and treatment needs as the health problem they are.

Cracks are showing.
Marijuana has become completely normalized.
Just a matter of time before it's legal throughout the US.
ORE just fired the first salvo against drug criminalization.
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2020, 04:38:24 PM »

Things are bubbling in the laboratory.
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2021, 05:08:00 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2021, 05:19:35 PM »

Dead by 60, having no doubt killed others

https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-professor-heroin
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