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Voting closed: October 22, 2020, 02:04:36 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Yeah, I know - Barkley was a bad pick

heh

[bankshot1]

I believe at the time I suggested more than once that Barkely was a luxury item for a team that had a lot of pressing needs, (I think I comped him to a Bentley when a pick-up truck was required) and thought if a franchise QB was not found (I was partial to Darnold ) then the #2 might be traded for a basket of high picks to hasten the Giants rebuild. I also wanted OBJ traded. (At least they got that right, if a year late). But I was told by more than one Giant fan they were a post-season team.

They weren't.

There's little question Barkely is a very good player. But I'm comfortable with my analysis.

The risk now is that Danny boy is not the guy and could push a rebuild another 3+ years down the road.

[HamiltonIII]

Bitch Levine is wrong.

[Yankguy1]

Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

[bankshot1]

Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

 

[bankshot1]

The latest Patriot scandal: Tom Brady caught vandalizing Hollywood mansion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY

[kiidcarter8]

Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....

[bankshot1]

kid

as you are well aware, after the Giants disappointing '18 season, there has been a ton of 2nd guessing among NFL pundits, experts, Giant reporters and fans of the Giant draft strategy and the Barkely pick in particular. Many mirroring my opinion. 

However as you know my analysis and criticism was before that draft. And as you may recall i was high on Bentley, just not as a #2 pick in the entire draft for a team that had so many holes to fix.

That #2 pick could have been turned into a 1,2,3,and 4 round picks (starting at the #4th) using the NFL value matrix.
 
And as you know it wasn't a 2nd guess, it was my analysis of need and how to best rebuild the team.

And time will tell, and Jones may be the long-term QB answer and Barkely the perfect complimentary running back.

But I would have preferred driving something more sensible than a Bentley, and maybe paid down the mortgage, put aside money for kid's college, throw a few bucks into the retirement funds, and rebuild the O=line and defense.

And maybe I would have gotten 24 MPG in the less sexy but more sensible Volvo wagon.

YMMV

[whiskeypriest]

Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....

I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.

[HamiltonIII]

Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

Oh, look! Mije Francesca's opinion dropped by. Probably easier just to provide the link to WFAN, next time, Bitch Levine.

[bankshot1]

Oh look the poor sad troll is pissing his pants again.

I must have upset the psychotic asshole, again.

Too bad., and get used to it.

Francesa liked Darnold, but he was still in camp Eli a year ago, and wanted to build around Eli, and he thought they could win last year, and thought sitting Darnold and not playing him would have been a waste of a very high pick.

It was similiar to his objections to them drafting Danny Jones at #6, and sitting behind Eli. He thinks its a waste of a pick when they had so many needs, like an O-line and defense.

Its what I said a year ago.

and fwiw, I've no opinion on Jones, other than it appears to have been a pretty big reach, and he quite likely would have been there at #17.

never know.

And anyone want to rent the empty space in the troll's head.

I've owned it for years, but while its fun to fuck around with, I don't get much use of it anymore.

Although flying paper airplanes in there is kind of fun, or throwing a frisbee, there's plenty of empty space in there.

no reasonable offer will be refused.

heh

[bankshot1]

Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....

I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.

not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes

QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE

and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper

and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.

Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.

I

[whiskeypriest]

Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....

I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.

not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes

QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE

and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper

and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.

Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.

I

Ward. Garrett was the year before. We passed on a Chubb at 4, a decision I was ok with, but would not have made.

After the first four, though, I think the ranking depends on your team philosophy. A pocket pusher at DT,  RB and WR would be before TE for most teams. But if you identify a unique talent at a normal position, I think you take him. You build offenses around uniquely talented players. That is why TE was a more valuable position for NE than most teams.

[bankshot1]

Mixed up Ward and Garrett but the hierarchy still holds.

And agree that after nailing down the basics, QB, edge rusher, O-line, CB, a GM can free-lance for specific needs.

But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.

IMO the point remains that the Giants were nowhere near nailing down the basics and bought a Bentley, but are 3 months behind on the mortgage payments.

As an aside, with Gronk's retirement, the Pats really don't have a TE, so it may be interesting to see how the Pat's offense morphs this year.

[CaptainCargo]

My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.

No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.

You may now fuck off.

Cool, permission from you means so very much to me.