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Voting closed: October 22, 2020, 02:04:36 PM

[bankshot1]

speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.

heh

I understand the hate

- but just takes one injury.

Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.

And you understand very little.

Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.

Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.

[bankshot1]

that 4th and 9 play was brutal

[kiidcarter8]

speaking of rookies

So starts the Daniel Jones story

and ends Opie's.

heh

I understand the hate

- but just takes one injury.

Wrong again kid. I don't hate Eli. I like him, he's was a pretty decent QB, not a HoF QB, but decent.

And you understand very little.

Its amazing what Jones did with the same team Eli had.

Opie's been cooked and has been for awhile.

I agree.

Its obvious Jones adds a dimension and is an immense talent.  As I have repeatedly stated, passing on Darnold was wise

Manning will be in the HOF.  Just not yours.  Glad you "like" him so much

[bankshot1]

I'm just being objective about Eli.

For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.

Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.

But he did it a long time.

15 years of mediocrity.

The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.

His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.

If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?

He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?

Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.

[kiidcarter8]

Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?

[Yankguy1]

I'm just being objective about Eli.

For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.

Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.

But he did it a long time.

15 years of mediocrity.

The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.

His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.

If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?

He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?

Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.

The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there.  I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese.  Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.   

[kiidcarter8]

I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.

[kiidcarter8]

Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?

[bankshot1]

Is Troy Aikman also not a Hall of Fame QB?

I've no problem with Aikman as a HoF QB.

I would probably comp him more with Bradshaw than Eli.


 

[bankshot1]

I think Bank also feels Eli was a bit LUCKY to play all those games consecutively.

I find it amazing that according to the Eli defenders, with the brutal O-line he has had for the last 6 years, he can still walk, never mind lead the league in interceptions.

[bankshot1]

I'm just being objective about Eli.

For 99% of his games he was an average NFL QB.

Just look at his stats, year after year of mediocrity.

But he did it a long time.

15 years of mediocrity.

The only league leading stat was interceptions, which he did 3-times.

His HoF case basically rests on a Tyree helmet catch and one great throw to Manningham.

If Tyree doesn't make one of the more improbable catchs in NFL history, snaring Eli's wounded duck, is there even a debate?

He's sort of like Bill Mazerowski, if he doesn't hit that Game 7 9th inning dinger in the '60 WS, against the dynastic Yankees, does he make the HoF?

Eli may make the HoF, people seem to like him, and I like Opie too, always have, but he is not a HoF QB.

The best (or only) thing I do with HOF discussions, in any sport, is to try to compare the player in question to guys already in there.  I think he was as good a QB as was Bob Griese.  Jim Kelly and Len Dawson and, perhaps, Terry Bradshaw.

I think comping QBs from different eras is hard, but in particular, QBs pre-2000 and those post-Polian rule changes.

IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.

Eli has longevity going for him. Which is fine, he's been an average QB for a long time in the post-Polian era where passing stats are vastly inflated (and rules to aide QBs instituted) versus the playing condsitions of the guys from the '60s to 2000-05, period.

IMO its a different game.

[bankshot1]

Bank - would Andrew Luck have been a Hall of Famer had he played 3-4 more seasons?

as a healthy QB-probably.

[bankshot1]

Again I will pose the question, if Tyree doesn't snare that wounded duck in SB 42 is there even a conversation?

[Yankguy1]

IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.

Maybe.  But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with (though Dawson mostly played in the AFL and they didn't get a lot of HOF guys) and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.

[bankshot1]

IMO all the QBs you mentioned were vastly better in their time and against their peers than Eli is.

Maybe.  But we could also count the Hall of Famers those guys played with and the Hall of Famers that Manning played with.

No question that Bradshaw etal played with a lot of great guys, and more than Eli. which may explain in part Eli being a .500 QB over the course of his 15 year career.

But the issue remains for 15 years and some 232 games, Eli was never a top-rated QB against his peers. He was a middle of the pack guy.
 
The argument "for" ignores 99% of his body of work and focuses on 2 SBs.

And again would this conversation be taking place w/out the Tyree catch?