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Voting closed: October 22, 2020, 02:04:36 PM

[Hairy Lime]

I'm rooting for the Pats tonight and every night

But I'm cheering for Brady the greatest QB to play the game.

That's the same guy who lost to Eli in the DB, TWICE, isn't it?

Heh

As we all know Brady lost twice to the Giants in memorable championship games. I said he was the GOAT and he is. I did n⁴ot say he was undefeated or invincible.

 He's a product of an era. That's all. I've seen better QBs.

You may have seen better passers. I have too. But you nor I have ever seen a better QB. Nor a leader like Brady do what he can do for as long as he has done it. He is the unicorn.

Poorly informed people often confuse the difference between the qualities of a great QB and a guy who can throw the ball.

You well represent the poorly informed, so there's that.

Product of the era.

What does that even mean? It doesn't matter if you are Tom Brady or Joe Montana or Johnny Unitas, or Otto Graham or Sid Luckman, every quarterback is a product of the era. That is not for them to decide. All they have to decide is what to do with the time that is given them. The era influences his numbers, but not his ability as a quarterback. Brady is not like Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts or Kyle Murray; he does not have a skill set that is unique to now, in fact if anything he is an outlier: a strong armed and accurate pocket passer with a quick release and snap decision making who is more mobile in the pocket than mobile generally. Yes, the difference in era makes raw number comparisons inexact if not downright lies, but there is nothing in Brady that would make him any less great in any earlier era. Mind you this is coming from someone who generally dislikes northeastern US sports teams and has rooted against him for his entire career and in every Super Bowl he played in except one he lost*, loathes Bill Belcher (so much so that I am keeping the autocorrect) and refuses to even mention his alma mater without insulting that Voldemort of US educational institutions.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.

* Fuck the 72 Dolphins.

[kidcarter8]

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.


Statistically this one is easy

2 back sets for one.

Bump and run is another.

Sticky stuff, a la Lester Hayes.....

[kidcarter8]

As for the GOAT - well, I gave you the numbers

You like the guy on the better teams?  Thats cool.

[Hairy Lime]

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the ultimate point -.I am not sure who I would seriously propose for the GOAT - but to say someone is a product of their times to me needs to be backed by identifying what would make them less of a quarterback in different times. I don't see that with Brady.


Statistically this one is easy

2 back sets for one.

Bump and run is another.

Sticky stuff, a la Lester Hayes.....

So what about Brady makes you think he wouldn't be as relatively successful in those days as he is now?

[kidcarter8]

Depending on the team he was with....

There is ONE player with a better W-L record in playoff games than Brady (by percentage, minimum ten games)  edit - make that 2

Tom could possibly be as good as THAT guy if he played back then.  Dont know if he'd have been the best.

Did guys like Starr and Bradshaw get picked off more back then because they were inadequate - or because there were less guys getting open?  Hmmm...

[bankshot1]

A better question to ask is could QBs from prior periods adapt to faster, smarter and quicker defensive players and more complex defensive schemes and process the massive amount of info that Brady (or Peyton or Rodgers have to today) within a few seconds and adjust his calls to what he sees?

Again don't confuse passing stats as the sole factor needed to be a great QB.

Marino may have been the best passer I ever saw, but he wasn't close to being the best QB.

[kidcarter8]

A better question to ask is could QBs from prior periods adapt to faster, smarter and quicker defensive players and more complex defensive schemes and process the massive amount of info that Brady (or Peyton or Rodgers have to today) within a few seconds and adjust his calls to what he sees?


Well, no way

Havent you heard - Terry Bradshaw was dumb, dumb, dumbbbb

heh

[Yankguy1]

I do not think guys not getting open was a problem for Bradshaw.

[kidcarter8]

Heh

Compared to now?

[bankshot1]

Do you know that the 60s Packers and 70s Steelers both relied on great Ds packed with all-time great players to win championships and generally were reliant on ground games on offense (Packers more than the Steelers).

Probably not.

[kidcarter8]

NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple

[bankshot1]

Starr was the epitome of the "game manager" QB.

A great QB for about 7 years and an NFL legend, but not surprisingly, he was not one of the 10 QBs named to the NFL 100 All-time team.

[Hairy Lime]

NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple

Otto Graham, 9 and 3.

[Yankguy1]

Jeff Hostetler 4-1!

[josh]

NFL playoff QB win percentage


Starr    9-1
Plunkett      8-2


Brady     34-11
Bradshaw  14-5
Montana    16-7

I am sure I missed a couple

You missed at least three things, Kid.

1) You missed the percentages that you claimed you were posting!

2) Sid Luckman and Trent Dilfer were both 5-1 in the playoffs. Unitas, Theisman, and Mahomes are all 6-2.

3) The thing about all those Playoff records is that they misrepresent the stats.

Starr    9-9
Plunkett      8-9


Brady     34-12
Bradshaw  14-9
Montana    16-8

Giving QBs a pass for not even making it to the playoffs makes no sense. Ooh! Montana went 4 - 0 in SBs!

Yeah, because he lost before he got to the others. No credit for failing to make the playoffs.