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Re: College Football
« Reply #4995 on: December 02, 2024, 11:41:36 AM »

It seems to me that it might help if the networks broadcasting college football games refrain from using the word "hate" in promoting the games.
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« Reply #4996 on: December 02, 2024, 12:26:03 PM »

I favor graciousness and class in victory or defeat.

Then perhaps you should not practice and savor a tradition of HATE with regards to
college football rivalries.
Nothing wrong with good old fashioned hate. And nothing in it that contradicts sportsmanship.

I note the absence of comment over the end of the UNC NC State game.

Oh, I see. You are FOR HATE, but opposed to how it manifests itself. 
Uh, yes. That is right. Hate is no excuse for deliberate taunting, or for the reaction to it. That kind of conduct would not be allowed in game, regardless of rivalries. It should not be allowed after the game either. Any easy thing to remedy, and it probably will be, with two melee resulting from it Saturday.
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As for NC-NCS, can not comment on what I have not seen.  If I gave more than a fart about it I might look into it, but I have seen enough brawls (and Bar room fights) to have an idea what I missed.
It did not get the publicity of the the/Meat post game frufraw but it was roughly the same.
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Re: College Football
« Reply #4997 on: December 02, 2024, 04:32:24 PM »

I expect Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie to come out of Championship weekend with the 5 seed. That might change if PSU wins, and maybe if Georgia beats Texas. That would mean likely the Pure Prairie League champ or the Non Power Champ coming to South Bend. I see the with that home field middle seed, and a potential match up in Columbus with Tennessee.
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Re: College Football
« Reply #4998 on: December 03, 2024, 08:12:43 PM »

How is this  game playoff format any better than what came before?

Why not seed 1-12 and forget automatic bids to conference Champions.?
1-4 get first round byes.
5-12 play first round games.
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Re: College Football
« Reply #4999 on: December 04, 2024, 07:23:20 AM »

Why have Conferences at all?
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Re: College Football
« Reply #5000 on: December 04, 2024, 09:36:41 AM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
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Re: College Football
« Reply #5001 on: December 04, 2024, 09:51:37 AM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
Which answers your question too.
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Re: College Football
« Reply #5002 on: December 04, 2024, 10:26:03 AM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
Which answers your question too.
Hardly.
Only the conferences produce the best teams(Notre Dame tradition built its big rivalries with conference teams.)
Conference alsorans survive on  revenue sharing and would wilt trying to market their product alone.
The CFB show last wasted our time debating the flaws of the 10,th, 1th, and 12th teams in the playoffs. Flaws never discussed in previous years because teams that low were dismissed for being mediocre, at best.
Even a miracle upset still cheapens the stated goal of selecting the best teams.
Pro sports does not have a  National champion but claims only a winner of a special tournament.




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Re: College Football
« Reply #5003 on: December 04, 2024, 02:32:16 PM »

Ten of the twelve spots in the playoffs are definitely set, and one is probably set. Nine teams, Oregon, the Pennsylvania State, Texas, Georgia, Southern Methodist, Tennessee, the Ohio State, Indiana and Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie are all in regardless of what happens. Two slots will go to Conference champs, definitely the Pure Prairie League champ and probably the Mountain West champ. And there is a pretty set hierarchy as to the order of succession for that last spot. So in reality, only one game has the potential to change the make up of the playoffs. The Conference championship games, in order of importance.

Southern Methodist 35, ClemSIN 30
This is the only game that can change who gets in. A lot of teams would lose to LaNorris Sellers Cocks this year, so It is the Louisville loss that really sinks ClemSIN beyond the other three loss teams, that and the absence of a big win. The Ponies are playing at a better level right now, but ClemSIN has talent and is the only potential spanner left and this is a spanner in the works kind of year. A ClemSIN win gives the Atlantic [sic] Coast Conference two playoff teams, an SMU win pulls Alabama in its wake. A ClemSIN win would not surprise me, but I will not pick it. ClemSIN has just been too uninspiring all year. Anyway, it is great that this is in the late window. Keep the suspense as long as you can.

the Arizona State 28, the Iowa State 24
The Pure Prairie League is a one bid league, and until Memphis beat Tulane stood a real danger of missing out entirely, so this is a winner is in loser out game. ASU is a couple of time zones or a national media magnet coach away from being the best CFB story of the year. ASU top receiver Jordyn Tyson is out for the duration, which is troubling, but ASU still has some weapons, including the Corgi legged Cam Skattebo. Iowa State is unspectacularly solid, as Campbell coached teams routinely are.  Neither presents a particularly strong resume, as both have an embarrassing loss and no out of conference ranked wins. ISU has a middling rush defense, giving up over 170 rushing yards a game, which makes this a Skattebo play.

the Boise State 27, University of Nevada at Los Vegas 24
This is essentially a win and you are in. The Committee put UNLV in at 20, with Army at 24, so if UNLV beats the 10 slotted Boise team, they should maintain that advantage. Anyway, I think BSU is the better team, though they needed a fourth quarter touchdown to win the last time the two met. UNLV did hold Jeanty to his lowest per rush average all year and they have a pretty good multi headed run game themselves. I think the game will be a good one. Pity its time slot competes with the Atlantic [sic] Coast and Big I Have Given Up Counting games.

Texas 17, Georgia 14
This one only affects seeding, both teams are locks. One of the features of the God Apostrophe S Conference this year has been inexplicable losses, but Texas and Georgia both avoided that, albeit barely, twice, for Georgia. Georgia won their earlier meeting fairly comfortably, in large part because they took it to the Texas O Line with seven sacks. My problem with Georgia is they go long stretches where they just do not seem that good, the entire Kentucky game, most of last week, the first half against Alabama. They can beat any team, but they can play their way out of games. I have liked the Texas O line when I have seen them play, so I will chalk the prior game up to it happens and take the reversal of fortune.

Oregon 31, the Pennsylvania State 23
This also only affects seeding, since both teams are locks, and the loser is going to be one of the home teams for round one. I actually really like the PSU, even though they lost to the only good team that they played and had some close games against bad opponents. Oregon has been consistent, no shit they are the only unbeaten team but they also have been consistent in how they have beaten teams. Anyway, keep an eye on how PSU does at getting to Gabriel, because I suspect that pressuring him is the path to victory for PSU.

Army 21, Tulane 20
In a way, it is a shame Tulane lost to Memphis last week, because this game would be much more of a wild card since the committee had Tulane substantially ahead of UNLV. Now, the only possibility of either team getting in would be a blow out win by Army coupled with, well, a UNLV win and something else happening like Williams having his leg chewed off by an alligator and the committee treating them like they did the FSU last year. Anyway, I look for the magical Army season to continue and for Donald Trump to say their great season is because of him. Make Army Great Again!

So, based on all that, there are some interesting possibilities about how the Committee will operate. From what I have read, there is a possibility that the Committee could drop a team that loses a Conference Championship game, or at least the Committee has not disavowed such a move, but I doubt they will drop them out of the playoffs unless there are exigent circumstances, like a blow out loss or a key injury that puts the entirety of their resume in a different perspective. I doubt they want to incentivize declining to play. But I wonder if that extends to seeding for the loser. After all, with a loss Pennsylvania State becomes a two loss team, with one of the most obvious teams competing for seeding being a team that beat them and a has loss to a shared opponent by what is by necessity either the same spread or better. And how does a three loss Georgia compare to a two loss the Ohio State? It will be interesting, because this is the first year for this, and there is no real precedent to guide us. My best guess, based upon the wins I have picked:

1.      Oregon
2.      Texas
3.      SMU
4.      the Boise State
5.      Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie
6.      the Pennsylvania State
7.      Georgia
8.      the Ohio State
9.      Tennessee
10. Indiana
11. Alabama
12. The Arizona State

The primary reason I think the Committee will put Georgia ahead of the OSU is to avoid the rematch. It also has a virtue of separating The P and O SUs, which kind of negates the head to head. Some very interesting match ups, including two God Apostrophe S Teams traveling to play in cold weather sites. Anyway, there are three other Conference championship games, and I really do not have much to say about them.

the Jacksonville State 19, Western Kentucky 17
But not the good Jacksonville, with beach access. The crappy one.

Louisiana 35, Marshall 21
From experience, Lafayette is a great place to get andouille which is a point in its favor, and boudin, which is not. Other than that, I got nothing.

Miami * 27, Ohio 21
What, does the MAC still play football? Why? I guess this helps decide which bowl game each team will lose.

There are also the small school playoffs being conducted now. There is the FCS, fka D IA:

South Dakota State 35, Montana 10
South Dakota 30, Tarleton State 7
North Dakota State 27, Abilene Christian 14

You know who I am upset with? The University of North Dakota, for sucking. An all Dakota FCS final four would have been epic.

A couple DII games:

Slippery Rock 27, California ** 18
Cool, both teams are coming off one point wins in Round 1 of the D II playoffs. They are about equidistant north and south from what can only be ironically and mockingly referred to as Greater Pittsburgh.

Ferris State 35, Harding 21
I had a high school friend who chose to go to Ferris State because quote my parents expect me to go to college somewhere unquote, which is about right. It is in Big Rapids Michigan and if you Google it, you will be asked if you mean Grand Rapids. While one of the many girls who turned me down for dates, in her case the prom, also went there, Harding is named after a man who until quite recently was the second worst President in US history. *** Easy call.

And of course DIII:

Mount Union 42, Carnegie Melon 10
The Mount now has a tidy .945 winning percentage against John Carroll who they crushed Saturday. They have a 1.000 winning percentage against Carnegie Melon, which I assume is orange fleshed like the musk varietal, but they last played in 1912, despite being only a two hour drive apart.

Linfield 35, Mary Harding, Mary Harding Baylor
Mary won the Harding Measuring Contest last week, but this week they run into a Linfield team that held Texas Schismatic to less then 180 yards offense and threw for nearly 400 yards and six touchdowns.

* Ohio

** Eastern. Way, way eastern. Like, Pennsylvania eastern.

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Re: College Football
« Reply #5004 on: December 04, 2024, 02:34:17 PM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
Which answers your question too.
Hardly.
Only the conferences produce the best teams(Notre Dame tradition built its big rivalries with conference teams.)
Conference alsorans survive on  revenue sharing and would wilt trying to market their product alone.
The CFB show last wasted our time debating the flaws of the 10,th, 1th, and 12th teams in the playoffs. Flaws never discussed in previous years because teams that low were dismissed for being mediocre, at best.
Even a miracle upset still cheapens the stated goal of selecting the best teams.
Pro sports does not have a  National champion but claims only a winner of a special tournament.




 alone.
Ask those Conference also rans about the effect of the new set up for the playoffs on revenue sharing.
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Re: College Football
« Reply #5005 on: December 04, 2024, 03:43:42 PM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
Which answers your question too.
Hardly.
Only the conferences produce the best teams(Notre Dame tradition built its big rivalries with conference teams.)
Conference alsorans survive on  revenue sharing and would wilt trying to market their product alone.
The CFB show last wasted our time debating the flaws of the 10,th, 1th, and 12th teams in the playoffs. Flaws never discussed in previous years because teams that low were dismissed for being mediocre, at best.
Even a miracle upset still cheapens the stated goal of selecting the best teams.
Pro sports does not have a  National champion but claims only a winner of a special tournament.




 alone.
Ask those Conference also rans about the effect of the new set up for the playoffs on revenue sharing.
Why.? Of course they like it( and the money).
But the issue is the 12 team playoff is not any better in producing a single National Championship Team than any other method used . 
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« Reply #5006 on: December 06, 2024, 12:41:29 PM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
Which answers your question too.
Hardly.
Only the conferences produce the best teams(Notre Dame tradition built its big rivalries with conference teams.)
Conference alsorans survive on  revenue sharing and would wilt trying to market their product alone.
The CFB show last wasted our time debating the flaws of the 10,th, 1th, and 12th teams in the playoffs. Flaws never discussed in previous years because teams that low were dismissed for being mediocre, at best.
Even a miracle upset still cheapens the stated goal of selecting the best teams.
Pro sports does not have a  National champion but claims only a winner of a special tournament.




 alone.
Ask those Conference also rans about the effect of the new set up for the playoffs on revenue sharing.
Why.? Of course they like it( and the money).
But the issue is the 12 team playoff is not any better in producing a single National Championship Team than any other method used .
Oh, yes it is. The "other method used" includes sportswriters voting, a two team playoff which ways left multiple potential champs out and a four team playoff that always left out one or more power conference. I think the 12 team set up is a much better method than any of them. Sure, there are potential to champs still outside, but it is much better than anything else we have tried.
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« Reply #5007 on: December 06, 2024, 12:51:20 PM »

I confess to a certain amount of schadenfreude in watching Lame Kiffin bitch about Old Mississippi being rated behind Miami. What a.jome, and what a demonstration of God's Conference arrogant entitlement. You are the fifth or sixth best team in your own Conference. You want in the playoffs? Earn it. Beat Kentucky or STFU.
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Re: College Football
« Reply #5008 on: December 06, 2024, 01:12:54 PM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
Which answers your question too.
Hardly.
Only the conferences produce the best teams(Notre Dame tradition built its big rivalries with conference teams.)
Conference alsorans survive on  revenue sharing and would wilt trying to market their product alone.
The CFB show last wasted our time debating the flaws of the 10,th, 1th, and 12th teams in the playoffs. Flaws never discussed in previous years because teams that low were dismissed for being mediocre, at best.
Even a miracle upset still cheapens the stated goal of selecting the best teams.
Pro sports does not have a  National champion but claims only a winner of a special tournament.




 alone.
Ask those Conference also rans about the effect of the new set up for the playoffs on revenue sharing.
Why.? Of course they like it( and the money).
But the issue is the 12 team playoff is not any better in producing a single National Championship Team than any other method used .
Oh, yes it is. The "other method used" includes sportswriters voting, a two team playoff which ways left multiple potential champs out and a four team playoff that always left out one or more power conference. I think the 12 team set up is a much better method than any of them. Sure, there are potential to champs still outside, but it is much better than anything else we have tried.
Not even close. There are never any teams beyond the top four worthy of the title National Champion
For all the other also rans we have Bowl Games as a reward. 

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Re: College Football
« Reply #5009 on: December 06, 2024, 01:40:49 PM »

Why have Conferences at all?
For scheduling and broadcast revenues.
Which answers your question too.
Hardly.
Only the conferences produce the best teams(Notre Dame tradition built its big rivalries with conference teams.)
Conference alsorans survive on  revenue sharing and would wilt trying to market their product alone.
The CFB show last wasted our time debating the flaws of the 10,th, 1th, and 12th teams in the playoffs. Flaws never discussed in previous years because teams that low were dismissed for being mediocre, at best.
Even a miracle upset still cheapens the stated goal of selecting the best teams.
Pro sports does not have a  National champion but claims only a winner of a special tournament.




 alone.
Ask those Conference also rans about the effect of the new set up for the playoffs on revenue sharing.
Why.? Of course they like it( and the money).
But the issue is the 12 team playoff is not any better in producing a single National Championship Team than any other method used .
Oh, yes it is. The "other method used" includes sportswriters voting, a two team playoff which ways left multiple potential champs out and a four team playoff that always left out one or more power conference. I think the 12 team set up is a much better method than any of them. Sure, there are potential to champs still outside, but it is much better than anything else we have tried.
Not even close. There are never any teams beyond the top four worthy of the title National Champion
Supporters of Baylor and TCU in 2014 would disagree strongly. And one or two conference champions every year after.
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