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[CaptainCargo]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

[whiskeypriest]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

A three loss Notre Dame still has NO effect on Michigan getting into the playoffs.
Only  Michigan losses can accomplish that.

We disagree.

I was going to accuse Red ESPN of poll thinking and point out the committee reevaluated teams.each week, so a comparison between Meatchicken and Oklahoma could get dicey if each comes away one loss champs. But then I realized that a loss by Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie means instead of Meatchicken and Oklahoma competing for one spot they would be competing, along with maybe one loss Wash St for two spots. I suspect we all know who is outside looking in under that scenario.

So while you are right a loss by Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie would hurt Meatchickens resume, as a practical matter it would not affect their chances at being in the playoffs, just their possible seeding.

[Espnthree]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

If Notre Dame loses Michigan moves to third in the rankings. They can only drop if they lose.

[CaptainCargo]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

A three loss Notre Dame still has NO effect on Michigan getting into the playoffs.
Only  Michigan losses can accomplish that.

We disagree.

I was going to accuse Red ESPN of poll thinking and point out the committee reevaluated teams.each week, so a comparison between Meatchicken and Oklahoma could get dicey if each comes away one loss champs. But then I realized that a loss by Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie means instead of Meatchicken and Oklahoma competing for one spot they would be competing, along with maybe one loss Wash St for two spots. I suspect we all know who is outside looking in under that scenario.

So while you are right a loss by Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie would hurt Meatchickens resume, as a practical matter it would not affect their chances at being in the playoffs, just their possible seeding.

It's all speculation anyways. But I'd like to see it play out that way just to find out the answer.

[CaptainCargo]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

If Notre Dame loses Michigan moves to third in the rankings. They can only drop if they lose.

Again, we disagree.

[Espnthree]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

If Notre Dame loses Michigan moves to third in the rankings. They can only drop if they lose.

Again, we disagree.

Good. Because your argument makes no sense.

[Yankguy1]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

If Notre Dame loses Michigan moves to third in the rankings. They can only drop if they lose.

Why? Aren't one weeks rankings supposed to be independent of the last?  If so, I'd wager an uninspired Michigan win over Rutgers plus a Georgia massacre of Auburn could well switch them. 

[CaptainCargo]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

If Notre Dame loses Michigan moves to third in the rankings. They can only drop if they lose.

Why? Aren't one weeks rankings supposed to be independent of the last?  If so, I'd wager an uninspired Michigan win over Rutgers plus a Georgia massacre of Auburn could well switch them.

Yep.


I've been told this for several years now by some folks here that 'each week's rankings are independent'. Sometimes I think it's a matter of convenience for them to forget what they've said over and over when someone's argument makes no sense.

[Espnthree]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

If Notre Dame loses Michigan moves to third in the rankings. They can only drop if they lose.

Why? Aren't one weeks rankings supposed to be independent of the last?  If so, I'd wager an uninspired Michigan win over Rutgers plus a Georgia massacre of Auburn could well switch them.

Not if Notre Dame wins.
And Not if Notre Dame losesn because Michigan still has the better resume over Georgia. The Bulldogs would be in the final four, though. See WhiskeyPriest’s post.
Michigan won’t be hurt by a Notre Dame loss. But Georgia(and Alabama) is hoping the Irish fall.

[Yankguy1]

So to be clear it's your argument that as long as Notre Dame and Michigan keep winning (no matter what kind of win it is) there's no way for Georgia to leap Michigan.  I don't believe the committee thinks that way but you may be right. 

[whiskeypriest]

A Notre Dame loss also hurts Michigan. And to maybe a lesser extent OSU if they are the B10 entry for consideration.

A Notre Dame loss hurts Notre Dame.
It does not hurt Michigan.
Michigan can only hurt Michigan by losing.

An undefeated ND helps the Michigan loss. Lots and lots of talk about how 'Michigan's only loss is to undefeated Notre Dame'. A Notre Dame loss tarnishes that a bit. No other way around that. A two loss ND even more.

Also my thinking has OSU beating Michigan 'may' mean more if ND stays undefeated. But that could I suppose be argued either way.

Well, if Our Lady of the Perpetual Tie loses it may mean that tOSU beats the #3 team in the rankings, which is hard to improve on. Of course tOSU is picking up their second loss on Saturday, so they are out of the playoff picture anyway.

If ND falls off the shelf and gets themselves Humpty Dumptied with two or three losses the talk in the Committee's chambers could turn to 'the Big 10 is in a down year so what about Oklahoma/Wash St/W. Va?'... Assuming a couple of those teams win out. And OSU ends up with 3 losses also.

BTW I'm predicting a Spartan win also. Only 'possibly' unlike you I really think it will happen. Then again maybe you think they will win and it's not your usual bluster.

If Notre Dame loses Michigan moves to third in the rankings. They can only drop if they lose.

Why? Aren't one weeks rankings supposed to be independent of the last?  If so, I'd wager an uninspired Michigan win over Rutgers plus a Georgia massacre of Auburn could well switch them.

The Committee has said the gap between Meatchicken and Georgia is razor thin, so yes the two could.easily switch places. But unless.Georgia beats Alabama, they would not finish ahead of a one loss Big Whatever team. And if they do Alabama becomes the issue for Meatchicken.

[TrojanHorse]

I don't believe the committee thinks that way

And you would be correct...at least by what they have told us.

[TrojanHorse]

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[Espnthree]

So to be clear it's your argument that as long as Notre Dame and Michigan keep winning (no matter what kind of win it is) there's no way for Georgia to leap Michigan. 

That is not my argument but I would agree with that.

I don't believe the committee thinks that way but you may be right.

I think unless Michigan loses it is in the playoff no matter what other teams above or below them do.

[Espnthree]

The Committee has said the gap between Meatchicken and Georgia is razor thin, so yes the two could.easily switch places. But unless.Georgia beats Alabama, they would not finish ahead of a one loss Big Whatever team. And if they do Alabama becomes the issue for Meatchicken.

This discussion began after Cargo maintained a Notre Dame loss would hurt Michigan.
As you pointed out, more succinctly than me, a Notre Dame loss HELPS Michigan make the playoffs.