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What will be the outcome of Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea
- 5 (45.5%)
Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them
- 2 (18.2%)
Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures
- 0 (0%)
The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine
- 3 (27.3%)
Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else
- 1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM


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Holly Martins

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #390 on: March 08, 2022, 02:16:47 PM »

It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees. 
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« Reply #391 on: March 08, 2022, 03:04:19 PM »

It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

The United Nations was trying to squeeze the refugees from Syria into Greece, they had the people in camps while they tried to squeeze them into Greece. I told them that Greece is small, and Greece is already full of Greeks, and I told the United Nations to take the refugees from Syria to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai instead where they can have homes and where they can work as essential workers, etc. Send the Muslim refugees to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai where they are needed as essential workers.

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« Reply #392 on: March 08, 2022, 03:12:23 PM »

It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

It was a harbinger. Russia had an arm up to the elbow in the republican party and that is who held the senate as it worked turtle treason to weaken us.

If Americans, who are better people than republicans, had held enough seats, we could have seen real pushback, including at the Russian influence campaign that brought on years of republican misrule that further emboldened Putin. 

It is not to late to wrap up republicans and tories and goons of that ilk everywhere for the betterment of humanity.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #394 on: March 08, 2022, 06:28:39 PM »

It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

It was a harbinger. Russia had an arm up to the elbow in the republican party and that is who held the senate as it worked turtle treason to weaken us.

If Americans, who are better people than republicans, had held enough seats, we could have seen real pushback, including at the Russian influence campaign that brought on years of republican misrule that further emboldened Putin. 

It is not to late to wrap up republicans and tories and goons of that ilk everywhere for the betterment of humanity.
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« Reply #395 on: March 08, 2022, 06:53:12 PM »

Site to recommend for everybody but Bambu, Kid, and Ward:
https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/ukraine/
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« Reply #396 on: March 08, 2022, 07:41:08 PM »

It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

Yes.
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« Reply #397 on: March 08, 2022, 08:21:26 PM »

It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

Yes.

Not by your party there wasn't.
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« Reply #398 on: March 08, 2022, 09:13:50 PM »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.
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« Reply #399 on: March 08, 2022, 10:06:53 PM »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/world/americas/venezuela-american-prisoner-release.html
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« Reply #400 on: March 08, 2022, 11:15:54 PM »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/world/americas/venezuela-american-prisoner-release.html

Yes.

While anti-American Ward is gloating over the refusal to take Biden's calls by the Saudis and UAE, the Biden team is working to deal with the issue without doing whatever the Middle Eastern folks want.

Yes, as Ward reported, the relationship is cooler. Oddly enough, Biden isn't impressed by their murderous ways.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #401 on: March 09, 2022, 07:53:38 AM »

It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

It was a harbinger. Russia had an arm up to the elbow in the republican party and that is who held the senate as it worked turtle treason to weaken us.

If Americans, who are better people than republicans, had held enough seats, we could have seen real pushback, including at the Russian influence campaign that brought on years of republican misrule that further emboldened Putin. 

It is not to late to wrap up republicans and tories and goons of that ilk everywhere for the betterment of humanity.
Lot of people thought what happened in Syria had to do with the fight against Isis. Good riddance to violent, xenophobic, primitive, trash.  Putin must have thought after he was some kind of invincible war leader.
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« Reply #402 on: March 09, 2022, 09:40:57 AM »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.

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Holly Martins

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #403 on: March 09, 2022, 09:45:03 AM »

https://thehill.com/policy/international/597482-ukraine-says-russian-forces-disconnected-chernobyl-plant-from-power-grid

Apparently Russian command is not composed of the risk-averse.  And clearly dominated by idiots. 

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« Reply #404 on: March 09, 2022, 11:30:32 AM »

BTW, anyone know why some news outlets are putting Russian oil imports, as a percentage of total US consumption, at 3% (Forbes, et al) and some at 8% (WSJ, et al)?

I sense there are two different metrics being used here. 
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