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Basketball / Re: Fiz Really Need to Go

« on: November 13, 2019, 02:42:12 PM »

whatever empathy I momentarily felt, or, however much Dolan and Mills are more primal causes

FIZ REALLY NEEDS TO GO

RIGHT THE FUCK NOW

https://youtu.be/F2RxmOi2xCM

Post Game Interviewer "Coach the effort was there from...."

Fiz Interrupting: "Coby White...(300 superlatives about Coby White)"

Coby White didn't just go off.

Coby White went off for 7 4th quarter threes because

A) There were terrible defenders assigned to him

B) Terrible defense was played against him

Post Game Interviewer "Those two runs, btwn 1st & 2cnd and start of the fourth....what just happened in those two"

Fiz: "Threes. They just bombed us out and its really hard to answer that three ball. When teams are hitting multiple threes in a row...I don't know how they got em but I just kept seeing them go in.

Fuck Fizz. Goodbye. Really quickly please.

"I just kept seeing them go in."

Couldn't believe my eyes.

I'm with you Les.

Can you imagine a Pops or Doc saying that?

They'd tell you actually how each one happened from missed assignment to three-steps-backwards-in the sequence leading up to them. Who. Where. How. Why.

Basta Ya!

Fiz: "Who. Where. How. Why.? Please.  What me worry? I got a contract.

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Basketball / Re: Fiz Really Need to Go

« on: November 13, 2019, 01:28:58 PM »

whatever empathy I momentarily felt, or, however much Dolan and Mills are more primal causes

FIZ REALLY NEEDS TO GO

RIGHT THE FUCK NOW

https://youtu.be/F2RxmOi2xCM

Post Game Interviewer "Coach the effort was there from...."

Fiz Interrupting: "Coby White...(300 superlatives about Coby White)"

Coby White didn't just go off.

Coby White went off for 7 4th quarter threes because

A) There were terrible defenders assigned to him

B) Terrible defense was played against him

Post Game Interviewer "Those two runs, btwn 1st & 2cnd and start of the fourth....what just happened in those two"

Fiz: "Threes. They just bombed us out and its really hard to answer that three ball. When teams are hitting multiple threes in a row...I don't know how they got em but I just kept seeing them go in.

Fuck Fizz. Goodbye. Really quickly please.

"I just kept seeing them go in."

Couldn't believe my eyes.

I'm with you Les.

168

Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: October 28, 2019, 02:59:21 PM »

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2018/05/29/i-want-my-momma-dennis-smith-jr-s-rise-to-mavs-top-pick-came-with-a-caring-single-dad-family/

169

Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: October 26, 2019, 11:51:53 PM »

Give it up.  Knicks are trading him.

DSJ is untradeable.  nice wishful thinking though.

170

Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: July 04, 2019, 01:33:47 PM »

What I like about what we did, targeting and approach;

No top target should want to come to a 17 win team. Adding the third pick doesn’t move that needle. Those guys get rookies (Shabaz), they don’t join them.

You can convince a player to take fewer years for more money or control. You can get him to take less money for more years or control and less control for more years or money.

In every case, we upped the dollars for shorter contracts with team control. No one-and-dones unless the Knicks want them Done. For Randle that would make him a two and done. We had the money and slots to play it that way. It was an approach that lets you get worthwhile players while maintaining flexibility.

We wasted no time on the biggest ticket guys and gave the next most productive, healthy, age appropriate guy a call right away. Our targeting started with Randle. He does a lot for a guy playing his position and the things he’s not good at he’s above average at for his spot and improving. We should be asking him to do less on O, setting up other guys and letting them set him up, and balancing his effort and focus more on both ends. He had at least one good defensive year for The Lakers. His focus should be on maxing out his potential as a two way player.

We got a guard and a big with productive skills, who’ve been well coached, who can hang by supplementing average physiques with knowledge, instincts, determination, and confidence. On the downside of their careers, they can’t be expected to carry career average loads, but the know a ton about playing and preparing and the personnel in the league and the situations that can arise over the course of a season. Taj & Wayne are frontcourt and backcourt platoon leaders respectively. They are also the smallest guys we signed to each platoon.

Next we got productive young vets with track records in very definable roles. Elfrid is a distributing point. Reggie is a wing sniper. Bobby is a stretch big. Between the draft and our holdover young players, we have predominantly slashers in need of lanes along with the rim runner in Mitch. If the new guys keep doing what they’ve been doing, it gives the kids the support to succeed.

If these guys condition right and find a decent scheme, they may score or not and will probably play a little ugly, but they should wear teams down by making them work just with pace and physicality. Our worst defensive frontcourt is probably Portis and Randle, unless we have a better coaching staff thanI think. They both rebound and one handles like an off guard and the other shoots like one. If we don’t get a grind we’ll have a track race.

I’d like to see us get one more big as insurance, but I think we can get by if we stay healthy. The roster spot and exception or remaining cap room can be used then. The roster spot also reminds players that a guy to replace you can be brought in tomorrow with no further moves. Carrots and sticks.

When looking at the cap numbers remember these guys came to a 17 win club on team friendly terms and decided right away.

Highly tradable role players come January.  Nothing wrong with that.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: July 02, 2019, 11:30:10 PM »

Everyone but Randle is a potentially ending contract tradeabe in January.

Those trades, which will happen, may bring back multiple second rounders.

But Clippers used cap space the Knicks easily could have had to obtain Moe Harkless and a first rounder. I'd take that over Payton + Ellington.

Grizzlies used a trade exemption to obtain Iguodala plus a very intriguing Golden State first rounder. I'd definitely take that over Bobby Portis.

Suns had used their cap space to acquire Aron Baynes and a first rounder. Can't blame the Knicks on this one, they were for holding out for two max free agents at the time this deal was consummated, but it's another "coulda been". Similarly, taking TJ Warren would have come with the 32nd pick overall (which itself was flipped for three second rounders, but could have been, say, Bol Bol).

So the Knicks, effectively, could have signed Randle and Bullock and done the above and still saved their room exception:

DSJ/Ntilikina/Kadeem
RJ/Bullock/Trier
Iguodala/Harkless/TJ Warren/Brazdeikas
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Baynes/Bol

Plus extra 1sts from Golden State, Philadelphia, Miami. And you tell Iguodala "Play hard for us, give us a list of five teams and we'll trade you there in January", meaning you might extract value for Iguodala. Or, worst case, you waive him in February. You try to move TJ Warren as well throughout the season for nothing but an expiring.

That team is better on the court than what the Knicks will have if the shooting can be sorted out, plus better positioned in the long term.

Even hitting on one of the above trades would have been nice. Instead we signed a lot of kinda valuable 8th men. Unimaginative way to build a team.

Underrating Portis

I agree. Portis is a load.

172

Basketball / Re: Knicks off-season

« on: July 02, 2019, 11:28:18 PM »

Grade the moves of the FO

A   

RJ Barrett   -  Knicks made the obvious move.  And they didn't mess it up.   That gets them an A.


B+   

Julius Randle -  You can like the player and the contract, but it's hard to give them an A when Randle was Plan B or C


B

Ignas Bradzeikis - Looks like the Knicks invested to move up in the 2nd round on a guy who can stick in the league.  That's great for picking that late.

C+

Bobby Portis  - Earned his deal on the strength of inflated numbers playing on bad teams.  He can only play Center.  No twin towers lineups with Mitch.  Obviously Knicks gonna fuck up Mitch's development.   Why did we need another young C?  Offense/defense platoon the plan for Mitch and Bobby?  How long before Bobby punches Mitch in de face?  Only reason I give it a C+ and not a worse grade is on the murky "potential" of Portis as a player and trade chit.

C

Kris Wilkes and the rest of their summer league signings.  Only because i'm being generous.

F

Everyone else was a waste,  rather have Patrick Beverly than Elfrid Payton, and prefer Robin Lopez to Taj Gibson, and i don't know wtf we were doing announcing signing NBA journeymen like Wayne Ellington, and Reggie Bullock to easy money deals.  There were so many shitty deals to one dimensional players did i miss anybody?


And because the KP trade made this spending $pree possible, and since a lack of talent scared off Kyrie (who has KD on a leash) the overall grade for the Knicks Front Office is:  Z-


 

Yes, the Knicks pay well because the media's favorite pinata, James Dolan, generously compensates players - many of whom do little to deserve.

Kyrie was NOT SCARED OFF.  The Knicks didn't think he was a max talent BUT would have paid him had Durant been healthy and insisted the Knicks hold their noses and take him in.  Six months from now when the Nets are choking on Irving's locker room manner and when the realization that Randle will score more points for the Knicks in two years then Durant will in four years - nobody at ESPN will admit what Durant homers and a-holes they've been.

Payton is on the cusp of breaking out based on years of experience.  Good time to take a flyer on him.

Portis was not the problem on bad teams.  He's a limited talent but a talent nonetheless.

Beverly was never coming here - has nothing to do with the Knicks - he likes LA. Period.

Gibson is better at what he does than you think.

This team will win games. January trade deadline trades will dictate whether or not we make the playoffs.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: July 01, 2019, 05:28:25 PM »

Knicks may have added too many guys that want time. Some vets I like adding. But this is a 30 win team - did we really need all of these guys, who will take minutes away from Ntilikina, Trier, Dotson and Brazdeikas (possibly all their minutes), plus possibly even DSJ and Knox and Mitch.

More troubling, had we not signed Ellington, Portis and Payton, not only would we have had more or less the same playoff seeding (maybe we'd be 13th instead of 11th) with more minutes for the yutes, but that empty cap space would have yielded a first rounder from OKC, or possibly assets from Charlotte.

This was short-sighted. I like most of the players given the circumstances of nobody better wanting to come. I like that the deals have lots of team options (smart to pay lots of cash in exchange for that flexibility). There's just too many of them.

Agreed. I don't get the plan.

(if there is a plan)

Well, they signed players who analytically excel in aspects of the game and a few who actually still have potential.

It looks suspiciously like the baseball Moneyball theory applied to a basketball team.  All of them don't back down so there's that.

OTOH, if Fizz is as dull a coach as he was last year the chemistry of the team may never be realized.  I would have been happier with cap space and playing the kids as a first priority.  If this goes south - the rebuild will quickly falter and we'll look like the remnants of the Layden years.

Hope we aren't just killing time.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: June 30, 2019, 11:35:11 PM »

The reason the front office is on the West Coast is to take advantage of the longer working day PST affords - smart.

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Basketball / Re: Hezonja to Portland

« on: June 30, 2019, 11:29:29 PM »

Meh.

Our FA period got that much better!

176

Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: June 30, 2019, 05:58:10 PM »

Well, 2 more years of almost guaranteed sucking with arguably only 1 real true potential top young talent in the team to truly believe in (Mitch).

Sorry, RJ is not it to me. Y'all can feel that way, but I am nowhere near as excited and feel most are overhyped about him because he played for Duke so everyone knows who he is, but compared to past #3 picks I'd argue his amongst the weakest in potential I can ever recall.

KP was booed at the draft, but I was way more hyped about him than RJ.

Our owner is a totalitarian idiot and management has failed at every turn no matter what way you want to cut it for decades. Yes, Perry is a major improvement, but we cannot escape our past misdeeds, and it's haunting everything about this "franchise," nor does it help Dolan thinks its wise to silence journalists even though they are clearly not fair and balanced.

I 100% supported the KP trade, but it has failed as of now. Hard to not say that. We shall see, but it looks grim for Knick fans now other than the rose tinted glass fans that have stuck around with faith and finding silver linings like I certainly have.

18-19 years and counting of trash results on and off the court. I was not super into signing KD injured as it seems a major risk, but I was beginning to change my mind. Now it is certain that the time we need to wait before we can actually have hope to be that good seems at least 2-3 years away, if we are lucky.

Patience...how long have we been hearing that one again (Chip)? I'm losing mine, but still here...why who knows? lol

As for the future. of the Knicks vs. Nets, this is going to hurt.

No one under 30 cares about the Knicks that much, and why should they?

Brooklyn sure to blow up and arguably surpass the Knicks in the short term as a result of this, even if Barclay's is not the same and the fans are mostly plastic.

Old NYC is dying very fast and this is just another nail in its coffin.

A lot of folks born and raised in BK are Nets fans now, even if they may like the Knicks a little. It's a local thing. That's millions of people, and there are a lot of real NBA fans in BK. Now they have the star power to be the talk of the town.

Knicks fade into oblivion holding onto the past with our old and suburban based fans. Until we are actually good again we won't compete, but there's a new noisy neighbor and they have awakened.

I think you underestimate the Knicks team.  frankie is a unicorn.  RJ is going to be very, very good right out the gate.

Contrary to your opinion, MR is a project - a good one, but a project.  Lots of good, young talent abounds though.  We won't be playing to lose this year.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: June 30, 2019, 05:30:28 PM »

I could not be more relieved.

Good on our FO.

ESPN just keeps kicking the Knicks in the nuts with the phony culture argument.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: June 24, 2019, 11:20:26 PM »

How did the relationship go wrong?   

KZ was our ticket, all we had to do is keep him happy.  It was His Team.  The injury year allowed us to tank and add a Top 3 pick.  A This should have been fine.  How did the Knix blow the deal with KZ?  Why was he so disaffected?  How come no one has been held accountable or fired for this fiasco?

When relationships go wrong there is blame on both sides.  You lay out where the Knicks done wrong.  But you give Zaps a pass.

The Knicks, alas, are not a half-way competent franchise.

Reportedly Kyrie Irving prefers Brooklyn to the Knicks in specific because of Dolan and how he runs the team.  No such issues in Brooklyn. Durant still prefers Knicks.

F' Kyrie.  I don't get a rat's ass what he thinks of Dolan.

Kyrie is a parasite. We are far better off without him.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: June 24, 2019, 11:11:46 PM »

So KZ is damaged goods, but we should trade for Durant who is a decade older, has a worse injury and hasn't started his rehab yet.

Not to mention that we don't even have a team that could benefit from KD if he returned to form in 2 years.  As for this wacky 5 year fantasy, Knix would just be punishing themselves by paying a 35 or (is it 36 year old?) Durant $45M or whatever.  Didn't anyone learn anything from the Melo re-sign?

THIS!

We can only hope these guys are serious about not repeating the same mistakes as before.

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Basketball / Re: Knicks

« on: June 24, 2019, 11:09:46 PM »

I think I explained it above

Players = team salary.  Not much but Frank and Trier is what - 8 mil combined?

If we're under the cap, we don't have to send equal salary back to the Warriors. If we're $30 million under the cap, we could, to use your example, send Frank and Trier and maybe a distant pick.

WHY?