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Nationals vs. Astros - The World Series

Washington in 7
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Houston in 4
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Voting closed: October 23, 2019, 02:00:10 PM


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bankshot1

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Re: American League
« Reply #375 on: August 31, 2018, 06:17:44 PM »

Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of Williams birth and I posted he was arguably (along with Ruth) the greatest hitter in the game.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Happy 100th Ted

nice article by Shaughnessy

They should say hello, Willie would say "Hey", to the greatest hitter in the game on the anniversary 100th birthday

Agree on Mays

Disagree on Aaron

IMO Williams and Ruth were the best hitters

then maybe Gehrig, Bonds* Foxx, Aaron

And then Utley decided to dumb things down so he could participate.
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Re: American League
« Reply #376 on: August 31, 2018, 09:29:56 PM »

How hard is it raining?
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Re: American League
« Reply #377 on: August 31, 2018, 09:37:05 PM »

Yeah, we did pay for Sale.  Hope we get a title out of it

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1035695202789453824

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Re: American League
« Reply #378 on: August 31, 2018, 10:28:57 PM »

How hard is it raining?

hard enough-

another 45+ minutes of rain
resumes around 11:30?

Ys CFBwin on controversial 8th inning rally

Donaldson traded to Tribe
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Re: American League
« Reply #379 on: August 31, 2018, 10:34:21 PM »

I'm in Chicago. Rain is stopping
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Re: American League
« Reply #380 on: August 31, 2018, 10:40:24 PM »

Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).
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Re: American League
« Reply #381 on: August 31, 2018, 10:42:21 PM »

yank

Nice.

Long family week-end?

My internet "sources" are saying its still raining and Sox2 might resume 11:30-midnight
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Re: American League
« Reply #382 on: August 31, 2018, 10:47:38 PM »

Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).

Ruth was a freak and not easily comped. But he and Williams comp as hitters.

IMO Mays may have been the greatest traditional 5-tool positional player.

Utley-- he enjoys the attention, abuse and losing arguments
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Re: American League
« Reply #383 on: August 31, 2018, 10:54:56 PM »

Chi-Phi great game. The way baseball was meant to be.

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Re: American League
« Reply #384 on: August 31, 2018, 10:56:42 PM »

Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.
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Re: American League
« Reply #385 on: August 31, 2018, 11:08:50 PM »

Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove chuckle at the troll's ignorance.
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Re: American League
« Reply #386 on: September 01, 2018, 12:32:43 AM »

Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.

Such a bullshit argument. Hard to believe you are even bothering.

Aaron never had to pitch to anybody. He didn't have to pitch to players in Ruth's day. He didn't have to pitch to players in his own day.

Aaron's highest slugging average, as has already been pointed out to you, is lower than Ruth's career slugging average. And before you tell me about those pitchers that Aaron had to face, Aaron was only the highest in his own time in four years.

Mantle outslugged him over their careers.
Mays outslugged him over their careers.
Musial outslugged him over their careers.

Taking Aaron's best years from 1955 through 1973:
Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   
1955-1973   .312   .380   .574   .955

Mantle:

Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
1952-1966   .307   .428   .580   1.008   

There is no 6 or longer year period in which Aaron matches those numbers and even the two 5 year periods only match them in one of the four categories.

Mays led the league in SLG and OBA more often than Aaron did. So did Musial. (Aaron never led the league in OBA. Mays did twice. Musial did six times.

Musial hit over .350 five times. Aaron once.

Aaron? Feh.

Aaron wasn't as good against the folks he faced as his own peers. And he never pitched.
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Re: American League
« Reply #387 on: September 01, 2018, 08:02:26 AM »

Mays was the best 5 tool and also a defensive beast. His numbers are somewhat hurt playing in Candlestick. But he checked all the boxes.
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« Reply #388 on: September 01, 2018, 09:04:58 AM »

Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.
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« Reply #389 on: September 01, 2018, 09:56:33 AM »

poor troll

He loses an argument in every way possible and fully exposes not only his inferiority complex (well-earned) and his obssession with Boston, but his deep ignorance about the game, its history, the stats, everything.

Yet despite his thrashing he comes back for more.

the troll is scrappy.

As posted before the troll decided to dumb down this discussion, I think Aaron was a great player, among the greatest, but he's not really in the debate for the greatest hitter.

That debate has generally been reserved for Ruth or Williams.

I think a case can be made for either, and there are additional extenuating arguments that have to be made for both, though I tilt slightly for Ruth.

"As to the best hitters hit", yes, and thats why OPS, as already pointed out to the troll, is the best indicator, as it combines the several elements  critical to a hitters success, show patience, a good eye, an ability to hit, and get on base and ultimately score.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_career.shtml

it captures the real goal of a hitter to put your team in the best position to score runs.

the troll does not understand this about a game so driven by stats.


Interestingly enough, on this leaders list, "Most Outs Made", neither Ruth nor Williams are on it, but lots of very good and some greats are on it.

Rose and Aaron then Yaz top it.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/outs_made_career.shtml

but you have to play a long time to fail so often.

The troll in that regard is the exception to the rule, he fails all the time.
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