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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Oilcandide]

One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!

[FlyingVProd]

One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!

The World Bank is going finance the rebuilding of Ukraine.

Ukraine can get money from the World Bank, the USA does not need to fund Ukraine.

Salute,

Tony V.

[Espnthree]

One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!

I think you missed out on a lot of history.

[LarryB!]

One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!

I think you missed out on a lot of history.

ROFLMAO

[kidcarter8]

I think as an absolute last resort. Instituting a no-fly zone constitutes an act of war. Once you are in a war you are in a war.

This has been my thinking too.  But the attack on utilities, in a place whose weather is probably comparable to Manitoba, seems to be heading towards genocide.  Putin is turning out to be the kind of mad dog dictator that prompts soul-searching on what point NATO/US might be morally obligated to step in.

That point does not exist

They are cowards.

[Oilcandide]

As a voting citizen of a NATO country, I share with some percent of my fellow citizens, a willingness to bite the bullet to save Ukraine.   I would accept rationing and some privation if it were necessary, knowing it was but a tiny taste of what life in Ukraine is.  I know many would disagree.  And I am not advocating boots on the ground. 

[FlyingVProd]

With the world's smartest minds, and with unlimited money, you would think that the world would be able to stop Putin.

Putin needs to be stopped.

We have the World Bank, and we have the United Nations, we need to stop Putin.

We have Hollywood, we have George Lucas, and we need to stop Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/19/2142716/-Ukraine-fights-in-Bakhmut-because-of-Bucha

[bambu.]

Putin has visited Belarus "with a spring in his step".
Stand by for a Russian invasion of Ukraine from Belarus.

Suicide drones are being fired into Ukraine by Russia.
Talk about a one-sided war. Russia is allowed to blow up Ukraine at will because it controls the UN and threatens to use nukes...but poor ol' Ukraine is not allowed to fire missiles into Russia because that might upset Putin.
Sanctions are obviously a big waste of time. Russia just laughs at them.
Time for Ukraine to be armed...properly.

[LarryB!]

Putin has visited Belarus "with a spring in his step".
Stand by for a Russian invasion of Ukraine from Belarus.

Suicide drones are being fired into Ukraine by Russia.
Talk about a one-sided war. Russia is allowed to blow up Ukraine at will because it controls the UN and threatens to use nukes...but poor ol' Ukraine is not allowed to fire missiles into Russia because that might upset Putin.
Sanctions are obviously a big waste of time. Russia just laughs at them.
Time for Ukraine to be armed...properly.

Zelensky will be in DC tomorrow..

[bambu.]

With the world's smartest minds, and with unlimited money, you would think that the world would be able to stop Putin.

Putin needs to be stopped.

We have the World Bank, and we have the United Nations, we need to stop Putin.

We have Hollywood, we have George Lucas, and we need to stop Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.

Problem is ...Putin and his cronies (Putin is only one old and some say 'crazy' man)...his generals and politicians who are obviously quite happy to turn Ukraine and its people into ash slowly and methodically...run the UN.

Now Belarus looks like getting involved, Russian tanks and troops are doing pre-invasion training in Belarus.
Germany/Europe don't seem to understand, ...if Russia gets Ukraine, NATO or no NATO, they could well be next.
Putin will just keep threatening to use nukes as his miltary, complete with drones from Iran (time to punish Iran), march thru Europe like Hitler did.
Putin will succeed where Hitler failed, nukes the game-changer.
Then China, emboldened by Russia's success, could do the same in Asia/Asia Pacific, starting with Taiwan.
Who could stop it, if it too threatens to use nukes?
China has 2million+ troops, hpyersonic missiles, every day churning out more of them.
Probably has 800million people who could fire a gun to bolster the military.

Top level Delegation from Australia is in China at present, "talking turkey".
We'll see how fair-dinkum China is about its "reset the relationship" words.
As usual, ScoMo got the blame for everything!  lol

The proof will be in the "pudding"...how much of the trade "pudding" Australia gets back.
Leftist bambuland PM 'Albo' thinks holding talks is enough success...well he's mistaking public opinion.

[LarryB!]

Republicans yelling about money laundering, corruption and Ukrainians are Nazis are once again on the wrong side of history.

Every thing you think you know about the 2024 campaign is probably off the mark.

[Espnthree]

48 per cent of the GOP voters now oppose more aid to the despot Zelensky who jails his opposition, shuts down the media, and shuts down Orthodox Churches.

There is no world in which Ukraine is the number one priority of Republicans. There is no world in which the risks and costs of taking on Ukraine as a permanent financial and security dependent is worth risking a major war with Russia over the Sevastopol naval base, or over who controls the Donbas.


To compare Zelensky to Churchill(as Nancy Pelosi did) is to admit you are a fool.

[Hairy Lime]

48 per cent of the GOP voters now oppose more aid to the despot Zelensky who jails his opposition, shuts down the media, and shuts down Orthodox Churches.

There is no world in which Ukraine is the number one priority of Republicans. There is no world in which the risks and costs of taking on Ukraine as a permanent financial and security dependent is worth risking a major war with Russia over the Sevastopol naval base, or over who controls the Donbas.


To compare Zelensky to Churchill(as Nancy Pelosi did) is to admit you are a fool.

So that is what Putin is recommending as a soundbite, Boris? Interesting.

[facilitatorn]

Red is Putins little warhead at home and abroad. It is safer to detonate him in isolation than to try and get his janky ass defused.