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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Holly Martins]

So....anyway...just curious - is Biden leading this NATO thing or not?  Lets not give him credit if things go well but say he was "outvoted", etc if they do not.

Stoltenberg is the leader of NATO.  Biden represents a nation that is an influential signatory.  He is doing what he's good at, which is helping bring all the members together on the logistics of sanctions and aid. 

[Holly Martins]

Personally I find luee's move from Ukrainian Nazis deserve to be invaded to Putin is the worst human imaginable fascinating.

And I wonder how much thought the Let us assassinate Putin extrajudicially people have given to the safety of our president, whoever that is, after our next military activity in an unfriendly nation.

Or what autocrat henchmen are like.  Imagine if Trump has instituted a full dictatorship, been assassinated and Stephen Miller had then stepped into the vacuum.  (Of course IRL Trump was something of a vacuum...)

[FlyingVProd]

President Joe Biden

6 minutes

Today, I announced that the United States will welcome up to 100,000 Ukrainians and others fleeing the aggression of Russia.
We are focused on reuniting families and providing refuge to those in the way of harm.

-------------

Many refugees are going to come to the United States, I recommend coming to Nevada, and to Kentucky.

Land in Battle Mountain, Nevada, is only one thousand dollars per acre, it is the best deal in the USA. If the refugees and immigrants come to California, Florida, and New York, then everything is very expensive, but land is affordable in Nevada and in Kentucky. A waitress working at a casino can afford to buy her own home in Battle Mountain, Nevada. And there is a college in Elko, Nevada, for the people who want to study.

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

Meanwhile, after shutting it for a month, Russia "reopened" their stock market.

That's in quotes because they only opened it for 33 stocks and they forbade foreign investors sales of shares.

There are other arcane rules Russia is trying to impost, as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/24/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html

[luee]

Personally I find luee's move from Ukrainian Nazis deserve to be invaded to Putin is the worst human imaginable fascinating.

And I wonder how much thought the Let us assassinate Putin extrajudicially people have given to the safety of our president, whoever that is, after our next military activity in an unfriendly nation.

Or what autocrat henchmen are like.  Imagine if Trump has instituted a full dictatorship, been assassinated and Stephen Miller had then stepped into the vacuum.  (Of course IRL Trump was something of a vacuum...)

A big difference between filing a grievance about NATO overstepping its authority and a full blown invasion along with indiscriminate bombing of civilians and property.

[FlyingVProd]

Berlusconi got wealthy from building housing for the people of Italy, that was how he got his start.

If I was to build housing, I would build Santorini, Greece, style apartment complexes in Battle Mountain, Nevada. Complete with heated swimming pools and tennis courts. The land is cheap, so you can afford to use quality building materials and you can build nice apartments.

Right now we have the refugees, the immigrants, and the homeless, who all need housing. We need to build like crazy.

I would bring in architects from Greece, and from Spain, and from Italy, and I would build like crazy in areas such as Battle Mountain where the land is cheap.

Salute,

Tony V.

[kidcarter8]

Biden:  "I've been in many, many war zones."



Uh huh.

You have contrary information? Iraq and Afghanistan often as Veep, for instance.

No...noooo...

VERY experienced

Almost like a general

heh

[Hairy Lime]

Biden:  "I've been in many, many war zones."



Uh huh.

You have contrary information? Iraq and Afghanistan often as Veep, for instance.

No...noooo...

VERY experienced

Almost like a general

heh

Did he say that?

[facilitatorn]

Kid assumes his own levels of ignorance, incompetence, narcissism, and apathy are universally shared. He likes republicans because he recognizes this assumption is true with them and recognizes them as kindred spirits.

He hates everyone else for showing him up by being less terrible just to make him feel bad.

Between balls and bone spurs, Kid will pick bone spurs every time.

[bambu.]

G20 in Bali in Nov 22...Putin is going...Ukraine will likely be all rubble by then, with the so called war (more like a massacre) likely over by then.
Putin will arrive..."all cheer the conquering hero" it could well be, you watch.
Very few in the world seem to hate Put
in-Russia with any passion.
Indonesia for example is one of Putin-Russia's best arms customers.
Socialist Vietnam seems to love Putin-Russia at a very high level.
So too China and other countries in Asia/ SE Asia.

[bambu.]

"China set to sign Pacific security deal on Australia's doorstep".
Deal involves China basing its military in Solomon Islands.
Won't be long nooow!
Oh well, my life is not just starting...I'd be angry if it were.

[josh]

The official Soviet death toll during the Afghan War, which lasted more than nine years, was around 15,000 soldiers. It is therefore quite telling that the Russians may have already lost as many 15,000 soldiers in just one month in Ukraine, according to estimates given to CNN by senior NATO officials.

It's over 10,000, at least, according to a state newspaper, which removed the figure about 20 minutes after it started making the rounds on Twitter.

[facilitatorn]

That only accounts for KIA. The number wounded and out of action is likely two or three times that. In addition, an unknown but also likely large number have already surrendered or deserted from the Russian forces. It is why they prefer standing off and shelling civilian population centers rather than engaging with Ukrainian military.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/american-volunteer-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/

Robin Hood vs. the Vogons.

[Holly Martins]

As both George Will and Facilitatorn noted, crude artillery blasts seems to be the Russian military's answer to internal conflict and incompetence.  Biden is still trying to help steer things so that the Russians implode but don't crash so hard that they lash out desperately with a tactical nuke because, you know, like, a convoy ran out of gas. 

I've seen upper estimates that Russian casualties have reached, in four weeks, the total sustained in a decade in Afghanistan.  That's reallllly shitty logistics and strategy.   And that blood is on Putin's filthy shit-stained paws. 

In other news, I am pleasantly surprised that Joe Manchin has not accused KB Jackson of unleashing child pornographers to undermine the coal industry by solar heating their grooming lairs.  His endorsement of Jackson makes me think he confines his stupidity and greed to only certain domains.