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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[bambu.]

Putin is only one person.
Russia could simply tap him on the shoulder and tell his reign is over, if it wanted to.
The politicians, generals etc.
Tell him to retire because of "ill-health".
Obviously it doesn't want to.
They obviously want that large slab of land that is Ukraine for Russia.

[josh]

Putin is only one person.
Russia could simply tap him on the shoulder and tell his reign is over, if it wanted to.
The politicians, generals etc.
Tell him to retire because of "ill-health".
Obviously it doesn't want to.
They obviously want that large slab of land that is Ukraine for Russia.

"Russia" can't do anything.

Individuals in Russia could try to do something, but for some reason you who counsel never do anything for anybody but yourself keep thinking that these unnamed Russians - politicians, generals, etc. - should risk their lives and their families' lives by trying to oust Putin.

Assume that they are just as cowardly and/or self-serving as you are, Bambu.

[LarryBnDC]

Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

[luee]

Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
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I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.

[bambu.]

Putin is only one person.
Russia could simply tap him on the shoulder and tell his reign is over, if it wanted to.
The politicians, generals etc.
Tell him to retire because of "ill-health".
Obviously it doesn't want to.
They obviously want that large slab of land that is Ukraine for Russia.

"Russia" can't do anything.

Individuals in Russia could try to do something, but for some reason you who counsel never do anything for anybody but yourself keep thinking that these unnamed Russians - politicians, generals, etc. - should risk their lives and their families' lives by trying to oust Putin.

Assume that they are just as cowardly and/or self-serving as you are, Bambu.

Russia doesn't want to do anything...then it won't be any good complaining when things go bad for it.
 Bobo Lo just said on my 60 Minutes that there's no draw in Ukraine, just winning or losing and that Putin will not be losing under any circumstances and that if he looks like losing he will use a small tactical nuke bomb in Ukraine.
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Also shown were people in a town in Poland close to the border with Ukraine, joining the army reserve, marching into a town to attend church, 120 of them, men and women, the priest blessing them and their guns.
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Also shown were US troops doing river crossing training in boats, with Polish troops.
The troops in Poland were shown erecting barbed wire and timber barriers on the river bank.
Warsaw ghetto mk 2 looms large.
Poland knows what's coming.

[josh]

Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
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I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.

(a) I think think Russians are losing.
(b) I think the Ukrainians are losing, too.
(c) I think the notion that our military is filled with people of courage and integrity is the funniest thing you have suggested in days, Luee.

This is the military that cannot be honest about its mistreatment of women.

This is the military that has lost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions.

This is the military of Abu Ghraib.

This is the military of the Pueblo, the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the Viet Nam war escalation lies, My Lai, Iraq's involvement with Al Qaeda, and Iraq's possession of WMD. among many many deceits.

And you think their "courage and integrity" should put them on the court instead of "politcal hackmanship."

Do you think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg lacked courage and integrity? Sotomayor? Do you think newly approved Ketanji Brown Jackson is guilty of political hackmanship?

[facilitatorn]

This pincer attempt underway is probably the last major movement operation the Russians can stand up until the fields dry into summer. A lot rides on this. How prepared is Ukraine to counter the pincer. The new Russian psycho in charge has every incentive to put the pedal to the metal. It may work, stall out, or fail badly enough to compromise Russian defense of territory it currently holds.

[bambu.]

I believe US military personnel today are highly skilled, intelligent, and courageous.
I also believe they should not be used as cannon-fodder in useless wars, or in non-useless wars.

[luee]

Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
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I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.

(a) I think think Russians are losing.
(b) I think the Ukrainians are losing, too.
(c) I think the notion that our military is filled with people of courage and integrity is the funniest thing you have suggested in days, Luee.

This is the military that cannot be honest about its mistreatment of women.

This is the military that has lost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions.

This is the military of Abu Ghraib.

This is the military of the Pueblo, the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the Viet Nam war escalation lies, My Lai, Iraq's involvement with Al Qaeda, and Iraq's possession of WMD. among many many deceits.

And you think their "courage and integrity" should put them on the court instead of "politcal hackmanship."

Do you think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg lacked courage and integrity? Sotomayor? Do you think newly approved Ketanji Brown Jackson is guilty of political hackmanship?

Were they selected because they exhibited courage and love of country or because they were members of a minority group needed for political victory? We lose the revolution we are not an independent nation. We lose the civil war, slavery. WWI and II   
uh oh. Viet Nam LBJ's fault. Service helps turn children into adults and prevents the US from becoming the Ukraine.

[josh]

Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
----------------------------------------------
I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.

(a) I think think Russians are losing.
(b) I think the Ukrainians are losing, too.
(c) I think the notion that our military is filled with people of courage and integrity is the funniest thing you have suggested in days, Luee.

This is the military that cannot be honest about its mistreatment of women.

This is the military that has lost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions.

This is the military of Abu Ghraib.

This is the military of the Pueblo, the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the Viet Nam war escalation lies, My Lai, Iraq's involvement with Al Qaeda, and Iraq's possession of WMD. among many many deceits.

And you think their "courage and integrity" should put them on the court instead of "politcal hackmanship."

Do you think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg lacked courage and integrity? Sotomayor? Do you think newly approved Ketanji Brown Jackson is guilty of political hackmanship?

Were they selected because they exhibited courage and love of country or because they were members of a minority group needed for political victory? We lose the revolution we are not an independent nation. We lose the civil war, slavery. WWI and II   
uh oh. Viet Nam LBJ's fault. Service helps turn children into adults and prevents the US from becoming the Ukraine.

They were selected because they were both competent and members of groups that were not represented often or at all on SCOTUS.

Given a choice of equally competent people, their appointers chose not to follow the same path.

Contrast this with the appointments of either Barrett or Thomas. In neither case were the individuals seen competent. In one case he was chosen for race, with an explicit lack of attention to preparedness for the position. In the other case, chosen for gender, with an explicit lack of attention to preparedness for the position, but a preparedness to vote the way her appointer wanted.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Contrast this with the appointments of either Barrett or Thomas. In neither case were the individuals seen competent.

Not true.
Both were highly rated.  Both had stellar resumes.  Thomas senior stature on the court today is rock solid.

[Holly Martins]

Presidents always appoint for political reasons, but sometimes that process still works out for obtaining a court whose members are more diverse and represent a healthy range of perspectives on life in America and the law.  Biden promised a black woman as a deal with South Carolina, a tide-turning primary.  And despite the political dealing, we have a terrific appointment, someone with experience as a public defender (groundbreaking) and who had been on the shortlist back in 2016 with Garland.  OTOH, we had TFG and his political appointments like Barrett where the goal was to court conservative Christians with someone who was cultish in their devotions and would likely overturn RvW.  So that worked in a way entirely contrary to the process of selecting highly qualified jurists who would be impartial on matters of religious belief.

Those who argue that demographic criteria are exclusionary are confusing the individual with the body of the Court.  The Court is an interdependent group that rely on each other's differing perspectives, so a functioning bench must consist of a broad demographic range of the highly competent and of good character.  Even Reagan understood that, telling people that he wanted an Italian-American, which he saw as a step towards more ethnic diversity.  (a giggle is permitted at this point)

[josh]

Contrast this with the appointments of either Barrett or Thomas. In neither case were the individuals seen competent.

Not true.
Both were highly rated.  Both had stellar resumes.  Thomas senior stature on the court today is rock solid.

I grant competent for Thomas, but not "highly rated."

The American Bar Assn. on Tuesday gave Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas a passing grade of "qualified," but the endorsement fell short of the "well-qualified" ratings received by other recent high court nominees.

Thomas' resume was a lot of things. Stellar was not among them. He was exactly the kind of pick you have been complaining about.

Justice Barrett's letter from the ABA said, "A "substantial majority" of the committee determined that Judge Barrett is "well qualified," with a minority of the committee rating her as "qualified."

Soon-to-be Justice Brown's letter from the ABA said "The Standing Committee is of the unanimous opinion that Judge Jackson is 'Well Qualified' to serve on the United States Supreme Court."

That unanimous conclusion is their highest rating.

Sotomayor, Kagan, and Gorsuch earned that conclusion.

The ABA was in the process of reviewing their rating of Kavanaugh (initially also unanimous as well qualified), but stopped their review when the Senate went ahead with the nomination.

Both Thomas and Barrett were and are less qualified than Jackson.

And Thomas' tenure on the Court has been "rock solid," with bunches of cases that for which he should have recused himself.

But you knew that.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Both Thomas and Barrett were and are less qualified than Jackson.

No, just the opposite.
Thomas and Barret were nominated from a pool of candidates that included white men.
The Jackson pool only included Black women .

[josh]

Both Thomas and Barrett were and are less qualified than Jackson.

No, just the opposite.
Thomas and Barret were nominated from a pool of candidates that included white men.
The Jackson pool only included Black women .

No, Thomas was not nominated from among a pool including white men, no matter how often that is claimed.

He was inserted to fill "the black seat" without regard for his capability, which is why he got the comparatively low rating.

Barrett, similarly, was appointed explicitly to replace a woman. Your bloviating doesn't change that.

And lastly, if the person who is appointed is unanimously seen as "well qualified," then she is deemed more qualified than those who were either not even "well qualified" or those who were not unanimously seen as well qualified.

For the bulk of 2 centuries, only white men were considered. According to your argument, they would be considered lesser because others were not considered.