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What will be the outcome of Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea
- 5 (45.5%)
Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them
- 2 (18.2%)
Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures
- 0 (0%)
The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine
- 3 (27.3%)
Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else
- 1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM


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FlyingVProd

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1155 on: May 10, 2022, 06:23:17 PM »
The people of Ukraine have nothing to lose by taking the fight to Moscow, instead of just getting attacked they need to go on the offense. If you are going to die, then you might as well make it count, and take the offense to Moscow. Putin does not deserve to feel safe and secure, he needs to be afraid and he needs to see dead bodies on his doorstep.

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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1156 on: May 10, 2022, 06:31:51 PM »
Quote from: FlyingVProd on May 10, 2022, 06:23:17 PM
The people of Ukraine have nothing to lose by taking the fight to Moscow

It remains to be seen, but I am skeptical.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1157 on: May 10, 2022, 06:58:20 PM »
Quote from: FlyingVProd on May 10, 2022, 06:23:17 PM
The people of Ukraine have nothing to lose by taking the fight to Moscow, instead of just getting attacked they need to go on the offense. If you are going to die, then you might as well make it count, and take the offense to Moscow. Putin does not deserve to feel safe and secure, he needs to be afraid and he needs to see dead bodies on his doorstep.

Salute,

Tony V.

Yes, the time has come.
"The Dirty Dozen" could be resurrected...but turned into the "Dirty 1000"...blowing up the transport systems...blowing up the ports...blowing up the communications systems.

On my tv just now...people in Finland rushing to military supplies stores to get survival equipment etc , getting ready for the Russian invasion...Finland is tipped to join NATO.
'Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition'.

China and Russia have been banned from the Australian Military Conference for the first time.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1158 on: May 10, 2022, 08:04:21 PM »
Lets go!!!!
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1159 on: May 10, 2022, 08:43:20 PM »
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right. 

Defense is a legitimate goal of war.  Spilling the blood of innocent people is not. 

Furthermore, any attack on Russian territory could result in them lobbing nukes, perhaps tactical nukes, perhaps city killers.  Maybe y'all are just venting, but try for a second to focus on what a ruthless dictator with a huge nuclear arsenal means. 
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1160 on: May 10, 2022, 08:48:34 PM »
Quote from: kiidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 08:04:21 PM
Lets go!!!!

You should just go to hell.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1161 on: May 10, 2022, 08:50:22 PM »
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right.


Plenty of Russians who love what Putin is doing - dont kid yourself.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1162 on: May 10, 2022, 08:52:47 PM »
Quote from: josh on May 10, 2022, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: kiidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 08:04:21 PM
Lets go!!!!

You should just go to hell.

He did, at about the same time his dick fell off. He is just trying to drag you there with him.

Ignore the mentally crippled old bag. He has nothing to say and just repeats his dinner.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1163 on: May 10, 2022, 08:53:20 PM »
Quote from: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 08:50:22 PM
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right.


Plenty of Russians who love what Putin is doing - dont kid yourself.

Oh, so that somehow undoes what he said?

You think we should indiscriminately kill masses of civilians because "plenty" of them approve of their leader's position?

Okay, folks, remember that he feels that way in the case of future attacks on Republicans and so-called conservatives.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1164 on: May 10, 2022, 08:56:50 PM »
Get it through your head, Oilcan - Putin simply cannot - and will not - use his nuclear arsenal.  It is there for show - on everyone's part.  How it should be - and how it IS.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1165 on: May 10, 2022, 08:57:39 PM »
Quote from: Oilcan on May 10, 2022, 08:43:20 PM
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right. 

Defense is a legitimate goal of war.  Spilling the blood of innocent people is not. 

Furthermore, any attack on Russian territory could result in them lobbing nukes, perhaps tactical nukes, perhaps city killers.  Maybe y'all are just venting, but try for a second to focus on what a ruthless dictator with a huge nuclear arsenal means.

It has been a warm spring in Russia, even around Moscow.

Coincidentally a lot of those fires, booms, etc. have been in strategically important facilities for the big Russian op in Ukraine.

It is more important that it keeps up and picks up pace whether it is from formally Ukrainian operators or from folks in Russia, possibly Russian folks, who simply do not like the war.

I think it is more likely a combo of the two.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1166 on: May 10, 2022, 09:12:27 PM »
Quote from: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 08:56:50 PM
Get it through your head, Oilcan - Putin simply cannot - and will not - use his nuclear arsenal.  It is there for show - on everyone's part.  How it should be - and how it IS.

And what is it that makes you think he "simply cannot - and will not - use his nuclear arsenal, Kid?

What stops him?
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1167 on: May 10, 2022, 09:57:27 PM »
Just isnt done.

And I dont think Ol Vlad wants to be known that way.  He thinks he is right.  Dropping nukes -he knows he would be wrong.
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« Reply #1168 on: May 10, 2022, 10:01:15 PM »
Quote from: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 09:57:27 PM
Just isnt done.

And I dont think Ol Vlad wants to be known that way.  He thinks he is right.  Dropping nukes -he knows he would be wrong.

"Just isn't done" is not something President Putin seems to care about much. Poisoning of opponents isn't "done" either, except by Putin's government.

I am sick of your defending Vladimir Putin and then pretending that you are not.

He thinks he is right would be his argument for nukes, too, should he go that way, complete with "you made me do it!" exhortations.
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Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
« Reply #1169 on: May 10, 2022, 10:23:58 PM »
Nahhhh

Nukes could never be right.

To this day Truman is no great international figure.
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