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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Espnthree]

So glad ( not) we poured another 12$billion down the Ukrainian sewer hole to justify keeping our  government solvent.  We prop up an Autocrat Zelensky  while ignoring our own porous borders killing thousands of Americans via cartels importing fetandyl.
Thanks Joe. 

[bambu.]

So glad ( not) we poured another 12$billion down the Ukrainian sewer hole to justify keeping our  government solvent.  We prop up an Autocrat Zelensky  while ignoring our own porous borders killing thousands of Americans via cartels importing fetandyl.
Thanks Joe.

"Porous borders" sure seems to what the American people want.
They hated Trump and his Mexican border wall designed to *seal* the border.
Trump tried to stop the flood of asylum seekers pouring in over the border....anyone and everyone who were just waltzing in.
The American people rejected Trump, and installed Joe as President instead.

The $12billion was money well spent defending America and ensuring its future...PNAC MK2 if you like.
Although Ukraine is not in NATO, it really is, in a de facto manner.
China now rules the world, basically.
...and will eventually own the world...if things in place now don't change.
Washington gets it now, that it can't survive in the world alone, and needs allies...both economic and military allies.
China v USA...China might win.
China + Russia + Iran ..v USA...USA likely loses.
But, China + Russia + Iran etc  v   USA + Britain + Canada + France + Australia + NZ + Japan + India + NATO + Israel + Taiwan + South Korea + Malaysia + Philippines + Thailand + Saudis etc...wins. 

[luee]

I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party. It is harmful and dangerous at so many levels as well as being illegal. Just stay home. The US does not need cheap nannies, cheap drugs, cheap labor, an increased housing shortage, and social services stretched to the maximum.

[Hairy Lime]

I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party.

Probably because it is not and never has been. Unless hour definition of "Open Border" is "basically the same general policy, only without deliberate cruelty."

[Holly Martins]

I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party. It is harmful and dangerous at so many levels as well as being illegal. Just stay home. The US does not need cheap nannies, cheap drugs, cheap labor, an increased housing shortage, and social services stretched to the maximum.

That cheap labor, from immigrants, is why housing was as affordable as it was.  In most countries, an average middle class family does not expect or get 2200 square feet of interior space.  That extravagant demand was only conceivable where immigrant construction labor could be underpaid and treated poorly, and where trim and flooring materials got cheaper and skimpier, and where land was cheap. 

Most developed nations (except Australia, the other bigass house outlier) would average around one half the SF of an American SFH.  Even here, SFH averaged around 1300 SF in the 1950s-1970s, with smaller (or no) garages, which is why middle class and working class families found home ownership feasible. 

[Espnthree]

I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party.

Probably because it is not

and never has been. Unless hour definition of "Open Border" is "basically the same general policy, only without deliberate cruelty."

Cruelty?

[Espnthree]

I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party. It is harmful and dangerous at so many levels as well as being illegal. Just stay home. The US does not need cheap nannies, cheap drugs, cheap labor, an increased housing shortage, and social services stretched to the maximum.

That cheap labor, from immigrants.


 is why housing was as affordable as it was.  In most countries, an average middle class family does not expect or get 2200 square feet of interior space. 

That extravagant demand was only conceivable where immigrant construction labor could be underpaid and treated poorly, and where trim and flooring materials got cheaper and skimpier, and where land was cheap.

Please explain how substandard housing under your definition could ever bypas building codes,civic  regulations,
and union pay scales ?

[Holly Martins]

Quality declined after WW2 - not by violating codes, just moving away from oak trim, hardwood strip flooring, high ceilings, basements, etc.  And cheap land for suburban subdivisions.  Not necessarily bad houses, just cheaply made compared to classics like the American Four Square or the Craftsman bungalow.   Later, more plastic materials - laminates, PEX plumbing, paneling, etc. 

As for union pay scales, surely you didn't miss the Reagan era, the PATCO strikebreaking and his general attack on unions,, the ensuing passage of Right to Work laws in many states (especially states with the fastest growth), the increases in hiring off-the-book, undocumented labor, etc.

One sardine, that's it. 

[Espnthree]

Quality declined after WW2 - not by violating codes, just moving away from oak trim, hardwood strip flooring, high ceilings, basements, etc.  And cheap land for suburban subdivisions.  Not necessarily bad houses, just cheaply made compared to classics like the American Four Square or the Craftsman bungalow.   Later, more plastic materials - laminates, PEX plumbing, paneling, etc. 

As for union pay scales, surely you didn't miss the Reagan era, the PATCO strikebreaking and his general attack on unions,, the ensuing passage of Right to Work laws in many states (especially states with the fastest growth), the increases in hiring off-the-book, undocumented labor, etc.

One sardine, that's it.

How many homes were built by PATCO members.?How did right to work laws affect the building of houses, except in a  positive way?

[LarryBnDC]

New strategy for the Kremlin.

Declare annexation and then bug out.


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/01/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

[bambu.]

Cheap Labor turns the whole workforce into cheap labourers.
Wonder where the middle class earning good salaries went?
Down the drain of cheap labour it disappeared...along with the jobs of Americans.

[FlyingVProd]

Cheap Labor turns the whole workforce into cheap labourers.
Wonder where the middle class earning good salaries went?
Down the drain of cheap labour it disappeared...along with the jobs of Americans.

Sometimes work is so hard to get that the locals become homeless in their own places of birth while people come from other places and do the jobs. You cannot get a job cleaning toilets in Anaheim because we have people here from all over the world looking for work here who will clean toilets. That is why education is important, and learning how to do things to improve your standard of living. And those who create jobs are blessed here. If you can create jobs then it is easy to find workers here.

And I had a maid from El Salvador and she was wonderful. I loved having a maid, and she was great.

On the issue of wages, we have unions, including the United Farm Workers, and the unions make sure that the workers are paid fair. We also have prevailing wages on government jobs. A new law is in the works that will make the employers tell you the wages before you apply for a job there, which will be great.

Salute,

Tony V.

[LarryBnDC]

The INVINCIBLE Russian Army with a million troops... yeah, keep on believing that.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/02/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

In an article published on Sunday in a major Russian newspaper, Komsomolskaya Pravda, a prominent war correspondent traveling with fleeing Russian forces described demoralized troops with empty eyes who barely escaped Lyman with their lives.

In an unusually candid assessment, the account, written by Aleksandr Kots, said that in the last few days of their occupation, Russian forces in Lyman were plagued by desertion, poor planning and the late arrival of reserves.

The risk of encirclement or shameful imprisonment became too great, and the Russian command made a decision to fall back, he wrote.

[kidcarter8]

Times, CNN and MS paint a rosy Ukraine war picture

[Espnthree]

Times, CNN and MS paint a rosy Ukraine war picture

Rosy for Who?
Certainly not the USA.