According to RedDick and bambu, Hamas's fault:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-boy-killed-anti-muslim-attack-illinois-police-say-rcna120543
It is Hamas' fault.
Hamas invaded Israel, its atrocities sent some people's minds off-centre.
Then there are people in America celebrating the horrors of Hamas.
Next minute a boy is dead.
Of course that is horrible.
But no surprise to me.
What if Hamas's war crimes of last Sunday were in retaliation to a provocation by Israel?
Wouldn't that make the massacre Israel's fault? That is Hamas's view of the case.
They were responding to Israeli provocations, who was responding to Palesintians provocation who was responding to Israeli provocation and on and on back to the mandate creating Israel against the express wishes of 61% of the people then living in the area, and in reality dating back to Sarah forcing Abraham to expel Hagar and Ishmael. It is a very very slippery slope to start excusing barbaric and illegal conduct because it was triggered by prior barbaric and criminal conduct.
Except , of course, the original sin of the 1948 partition of Palestine was the Arab refusal
to co exist with Israel.
Yeah, for some reason the Arab majority objected to having a settlement imposed on them, with no regard to any right of self-determination despite the UN Charter, that gave 1/3.of the population 2/3 of the land, most of which they owned. Weird they objected to that.
In reality Israel will be responsible for any war crimes it commits, regardless of provocation.
Just as Hamas is. Israel's war crimes are not Hamas's fault any more than Hamas's are Israel's.
Not true. It is not a war crime to respond to an attack.( see Hiroshima, Dresden) And the history of this
conflict is replete with acts of war by Arabs. If Hamas puts missiles into schools, for example, to kill Jews, Israel is justified in demolishing the school.
Period.
You are correct. Responding is not in and of itself a war crime. How you respond may be. If Israel does commit war crimes, regardless of who started it, Israel will bear the legal and moral responsibility for those crimes.
Nice dodge.
Hamas has already forfeited anything moral about its actions.
Israel is thus justified in the absolute annihilation of Hamas since anything less is a threat to the existence of Israel.
Israel uses its missiles to protect its citizens.
Hamas uses its citizens to protect its missiles.
Nice dodge. The issue under discussion is not whether Israel is justified in going after Hamas with a vengeance (yes). The issue is whether Israel bears the moral and legal responsibility for acts taken 8n the conduct of the war that violate the laws of war (also yes).
We have an upside down little unwiped bottom of sociopath who feels Israel has no moral obligation at all, because Hamas "started it". It is far too complex a situation to talk of anyone starting it. After all, if an act of war allowed you to violate international law with impunity in retaliation, Israel has blockaded Gaza for over 15 years, and a blockade, by definition, is an act of war.
Everyone is morally responsible for their own acts. Tony is normally anodyne at best if not outright stupidly naive, especially when it comes to white Christians, Celebrities and the people of Battle Mountain, but sometimes the anodyne escapes people. Hamas and only Hamas, is responsible for its unspeakable acts of last Sunday, regardless of provocation. Israel, and only Israel, is responsible for any of its acts in pursuit of a justified military reaponse that violate international law.
