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[Espnthree]

Only if the question is

what spin will Luee put on a US congressperson who criticizes Israeli violence against civilians and obstruction of a peaceful two state solution that respects Palestinian sovereignty and land rights, especially if said congressperson is Muslim?

She didn't incite a massacre, she is speaking out against the bigotry and injustice that keeps causing massacres.  And holding Israel responsible for their part in the ongoing cycles of violence and revenge.  Fuck yes, we all know Hamas is responsible, no one is absolving them for their amoral savagery.  But that doesn't mean Israel's shit don't stink.

But yours does.
The Censure of Taihib came from the U S House of Representatives in a lop sided bi partisan vote that amplified and reaffirmed  US support for Israel as forcefully stated by President Biden.
At the core of the debate the representatives strongly indicated that the US Government identifies Hamas as a terrorist  organization and interpreted the phrase FromThe River To The Sea as calling for the destruction of Israel.

[LarryB!]

I thought that people should have come up with a better slogan for their policy ideas.

It is a slogan that supports removing funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety and community support, such as social services, youth services, housing, education, healthcare and other community resources.

Put that on a bumper sticker.

It was co-opted and weaponized to mean whatever White folks said it means.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/7-myths-about-defunding-the-police-debunked/

[Hairy Lime]

I thought that people should have come up with a better slogan for their policy ideas.

It is a slogan that supports removing funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety and community support, such as social services, youth services, housing, education, healthcare and other community resources.

Put that on a bumper sticker.

It was co-opted and weaponized to mean whatever White folks said it means.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/7-myths-about-defunding-the-police-debunked/

That is my worry with the interpretation of River to the Sea, which is facially anodyne but may have acquired a secondary meaning. On the other hand, it could just be co-opted in order to limit legitimate discussion of Palestinian desires for statehood. I mean, if you look at the standard maps.of two state solutions, you can see why that slogan might have an appe to Palestinians who always seem to have a disconnected country at the mercy of Israel for inter country communications and travel.

[Yankguy1]

I have no interest in making this a racial discussion.   

I thought that people should have come up with a better slogan for their policy ideas.

It is a slogan that supports removing funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety and community support, such as social services, youth services, housing, education, healthcare and other community resources.

Put that on a bumper sticker.

It was co-opted and weaponized to mean whatever White folks said it means.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/7-myths-about-defunding-the-police-debunked/

I have no interest in making this a racial discussion. 

[facilitatorn]

I thought that people should have come up with a better slogan for their policy ideas.

It is a slogan that supports removing funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety and community support, such as social services, youth services, housing, education, healthcare and other community resources.

Put that on a bumper sticker.

It was co-opted and weaponized to mean whatever White folks said it means.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/7-myths-about-defunding-the-police-debunked/

That is my worry with the interpretation of River to the Sea, which is facially anodyne but may have acquired a secondary meaning. On the other hand, it could just be co-opted in order to limit legitimate discussion of Palestinian desires for statehood. I mean, if you look at the standard maps.of two state solutions, you can see why that slogan might have an appe to Palestinians who always seem to have a disconnected country at the mercy of Israel for inter country communications and travel.

You raise some very good points. Most slogans are offered with varying connotations depending on the context and world views of their users.

[LarryB!]

I have no interest in making this a racial discussion.   

I thought that people should have come up with a better slogan for their policy ideas.

It is a slogan that supports removing funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety and community support, such as social services, youth services, housing, education, healthcare and other community resources.

Put that on a bumper sticker.

It was co-opted and weaponized to mean whatever White folks said it means.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/7-myths-about-defunding-the-police-debunked/

I have no interest in making this a racial discussion.

Whether you like it or not, it is..

[Yankguy1]

Only if more than one person participates.

[LarryB!]

Only if more than one person participates.

Which is why there may never be a rssolution.

Fingers in ears LALALALA

[Yankguy1]

If you say so. 

[facilitatorn]

The thing the right wing gains from the Tailb censure is that it allows them to construct a false equivalence between her words and actions and the words and actions of MTG and Paul Gosar who probably has a cabinet position in the next republican administration, should something so awful ever be allowed to come to pass.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/11/14/2205826/-Right-wing-comparisons-of-violence-in-law-n-order-Florida-vs-lawless-California-are-100-phony?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=latest_community&pm_medium=web

[FlyingVProd]

Biden is doing some good things, the economy is getting better, and President Biden is meeting with President Xi of China in San Francisco. That is wonderful.

China Town in San Francisco is a great area, I hope the President of China will tour China Town with Biden, and I hope they can eat at the restaurants, etc.

It would be nice if they could spend a few days together discussing things.

China wants peace and trade, and they want happy customers, etc.

It is good that Biden and Xi are meeting in San Francisco.

Salute,

Tony V.

[LarryB!]

If you say so.

Not talking about the subject just makes it go awa, huh?

Sounds about white

[Yankguy1]

The discussion was about Representative Tlaib. If you want to turn it into a monologue about defunding the police, have at it.

[LarryB!]

The discussion was about Representative Tlaib. If you want to turn it into a monologue about defunding the police, have at it.

The discussion was about Representative Tlaib. If you want to turn it into a monologue about defunding the police, have at it.

It as a dialogue about taking slogans and interpreting them only from one point of view..

Your dismissal of the subject by saying you were not interesting in having a racial discussion and saying it twice illustrated the point.

YOU emphatically defined it as a racial discussion not worthy of visiting, just as people ignore what PALESTINIANS say the slogan, From the River to the Sea, means to THEM.

https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/