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Will all of the NFL teams make it through the whole season?

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Voting closed: October 22, 2020, 02:04:36 PM


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josh

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Re: NFL
« Reply #1500 on: October 22, 2019, 01:25:04 PM »
Quote from: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
Pats D

real or not?

historically good or product of an easy schedule.

discuss.

I think it's a mix of the two.

Pitt's averaged 24 points against everybody else. Differential = 21 (without Big Ben)
Miami's averaged 12+. Differential = 12+
NYJ's averaged 12+. Differential = 5+ (ignoring that their points came from anything but offense and sans Darnold most of the time.)
Buffalo's averaged 22+. Differential = 12+
Washington's averaged 14-. Differential = 7
NYG's averaged 20-. Differential = 6+

Yes, they are poor teams, but they have managed to score significantly more against their other opponents than against the Patriots. People seem to think Buffalo's defense is real, while doubting the Patriot's D. In the 3 games they had with common opponents they gave up 51 points. The Patriots played those same teams and, even if we ignore the last shut out, gave up 28 points. (I am again not separating out who scored what other than on offense, but the "it's real" argument gets stronger, not weaker, with that.)
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1501 on: October 22, 2019, 01:30:36 PM »
Quote from: Hairy Lime on October 22, 2019, 12:52:03 PM
Browns put it all together, 35 - 14. That is what Tuesday is for. Coping with reality is for Monday.

14 points seems within the margin of error of a Baker's dozen.

I thought Tuesday was for tacos.
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1502 on: October 22, 2019, 01:39:02 PM »
Quote from: josh on October 22, 2019, 01:25:04 PM
Quote from: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
Pats D

real or not?

historically good or product of an easy schedule.

discuss.

I think it's a mix of the two.

Pitt's averaged 24 points against everybody else. Differential = 21 (without Big Ben)
Miami's averaged 12+. Differential = 12+
NYJ's averaged 12+. Differential = 5+ (ignoring that their points came from anything but offense and sans Darnold most of the time.)
Buffalo's averaged 22+. Differential = 12+
Washington's averaged 14-. Differential = 7
NYG's averaged 20-. Differential = 6+

Yes, they are poor teams, but they have managed to score significantly more against their other opponents than against the Patriots. People seem to think Buffalo's defense is real, while doubting the Patriot's D. In the 3 games they had with common opponents they gave up 51 points. The Patriots played those same teams and, even if we ignore the last shut out, gave up 28 points. (I am again not separating out who scored what other than on offense, but the "it's real" argument gets stronger, not weaker, with that.)

We're on the same page with that comparative analysis, and its hard to draw any other conclusion than they are a very good D.

But I am looking forward to the next several games (against some pretty good teams/better QBs) to see how the D perfoms.

I suspect they hold up pretty well.   
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1503 on: October 22, 2019, 01:44:06 PM »
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever. 
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1504 on: October 22, 2019, 01:58:48 PM »
Quote from: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 01:44:06 PM
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.

Jaime Collins was a star here before he got himself pushed out of town, so it is hardly a shock to see him being amazing again.

And I think the twins are closer to stars than not.

But I could just be flat wrong - I have no idea how they are seen out of town, other than your thoughts. Certainly, nobody is nominating the D-line for top awards. It was great to see a couple linemen as fullback, however.
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1505 on: October 22, 2019, 02:07:15 PM »
Quote from: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 01:44:06 PM
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.

Winovich was a WHIFF by quite a few GMs
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1506 on: October 22, 2019, 02:19:42 PM »
I don't think he's a star yet.  A great college player.  And my daughter met him a few times.
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1507 on: October 22, 2019, 02:22:21 PM »
Quote from: josh on October 22, 2019, 01:58:48 PM
Quote from: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 01:44:06 PM
Except for Gilmore and Hightower it's essentially a "starless" defense.  Belichick is likely the greatest defensive mind ever.

Jaime Collins was a star here before he got himself pushed out of town, so it is hardly a shock to see him being amazing again.

And I think the twins are closer to stars than not.

But I could just be flat wrong - I have no idea how they are seen out of town, other than your thoughts. Certainly, nobody is nominating the D-line for top awards. It was great to see a couple linemen as fullback, however.

Plenty of first/second rounders

What constitutes a star?

Was the Steelers Ernie Holmes or Mike Wagner a star?
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1508 on: October 22, 2019, 02:23:37 PM »
Quote from: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 02:19:42 PM
I don't think he's a star yet.  A great college player.  And my daughter met him a few times.
I worry about some of the choices your daughter makes.
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1509 on: October 22, 2019, 02:25:02 PM »
They were solid defense players who played on a great UNIT.  I don't think either one of those guys would have been thought of as great players on other teams. 

Gilmore and Hightower yes. 
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1510 on: October 22, 2019, 06:07:11 PM »
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sam-darnold-ghost-comments-20191022-smuqfxeuwneufmz3kpoamyioc4-story.html

"Any of you ever hear voices while you're out working in the cornfields?"

"You hearing voices?"

"No, no. I'm just... uh... curious."

"Ray here says he's hearing voices."

"No..."

I think the Jets have bigger problems than Sam's seeing ghosts in the Pats defense, but certainly bigger than NFL Films' having shared it!
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1511 on: October 24, 2019, 10:12:04 AM »
KO pool

week 8

pretty sure I'm going with Vikes tonight at home vs the Washington Football Native Americans
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1512 on: October 24, 2019, 10:19:10 AM »
Thursday nighter


Minnesota. -15.5. Redskins. 42
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1513 on: October 24, 2019, 01:18:23 PM »
10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42       28-17
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Re: NFL
« Reply #1514 on: October 24, 2019, 01:21:57 PM »
NFL   full slate



10/24 8:20 ET Minnesota -15.5 Redskins 42
10/27 1:00 ET Detroit         -7 Giants         49.5
10/27 1:00 ET Tennessee -2.5 Buccaneers 45.5
10/27 1:00 ET Chicago         -4 Chargers 40
10/27 1:00 ET Seahawks -7 Atlanta         50.5
10/27 1:00 ET Jacksonville -5.5 Jets         41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Buffalo         -1.5 Eagles      43
10/27 1:00 ET LA Rams(London) -13 Bengals 48.5
10/27 1:00 ET New Orleans -9.5 Cardinals 48
10/27 4:25 ET Houston         -6.5 Raiders         51.5
10/27 4:05 ET San Francisco -5.5 Panthers 41.5
10/27 1:00 ET Indianapolis -6 Broncos         43.5
10/27 4:25 ET New England -12.5 Browns         46
10/27 8:20 ET Packers         -4.5 Kansas City 48
10/28 8:15 ET Pittsburgh -14.5 Dolphins 43

bye -    Baltimore, Dallas
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