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Re: Kam Sandwich, The Continuing Saga
« Reply #2475 on: December 03, 2018, 03:30:42 PM »

Nicely played, homie.

You are my inspiration :)
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2476 on: December 03, 2018, 04:47:33 PM »

I suspect Frank gets some burn tonight with Trier, Dotson, Knox and Robinson/Kornet.

With the added bonus of seeing the Wall/Beal back court. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2477 on: December 03, 2018, 05:59:32 PM »

Oubre has been a horror.

Forum favorite if I recall
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2478 on: December 03, 2018, 06:06:49 PM »

Save Pierce and Manning , haven't liked a Kansas player since Wilt.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2479 on: December 03, 2018, 06:12:07 PM »

Just about impossible to get just 0.7 assists per game in 24.8 minutes.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2480 on: December 03, 2018, 06:19:00 PM »

Bulls fired Hoiberg.
Yeah 5-19 is unsightly, but they've been without there best player Markaanen, Portis and Dunn have missed a ton.  Whaddaya expect?
They beat the 5 weak teams they faced.  Have had 6 close losses in a fairly tough schedule:  Lost to SA by 1; 3 point loss @ MIL; 2 point L v. IND; OT 1 Pt near-miss v. DEN; 2 pt loss to DET.

They have a young not great team with lots of injuries.
Looking at the schedule I can't see where they should have picked up more wins.  Lost to MIA at Home -- shrug.  Then @MIN was a Home/Road B2B.  Lost to DAL 2x, but they've been a pretty good team so far.

And again, the young Bulls have been injured.
Again, LaVine and Jabari and rook Carter Jr the only healthy decent players.  And that's some seriously bad defense.

Mark, Dunn, Portis, Valentine out for long stretches.
Not a good team, very young, lots of injuries.
Jim Boylan?
He's going to make a difference?

Well, here's a good article on the roster turmoil during Hoiberg's tenure and the shifts in direction: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25442532/the-bulls-fred-hoiberg-ton-work-left
[edit: didn't notice it was Zach Lowe ... no wonder it's logn and in-depth]

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The bottom line is this: If you know after those three-plus seasons that Hoiberg is either a good or a bad NBA coach, I am both impressed and a little worried about the confidence you have in your convictions. I freely admit I have little idea. The Bulls have had zero on-court identity over that entire span, and a lot of that confusion -- likely most of it -- lays at the feet of Gar Forman and John Paxson above him.
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The Bulls -- Forman, Paxson, ownership -- did not put Hoiberg in a position to succeed. Chicago's failures post-Rose are more about their choices and franchise circumstances -- digging out from the Rose-Noah era -- than anything Hoiberg did in games or in practices.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2481 on: December 03, 2018, 06:35:47 PM »

I like uber-Kelly.
Plays with good energy, defends, rebounds.
WIZ use him as a spot-up shooter mostly, when his game is slashing and cutting.  Last year and this, nearly half his shots are 3's.  Last year he hit an acceptable 34%.  This year just 29%, which is more in line with his first two seasons.  I wouldn't have him hoisting nearly five 3's a game (in 25 mins).  I'd be using him as an energy bench guy, defending, slashing, cutting, midranging. 

But the whole team has been a disaster.  With poor chemistry.
So hard to judge him.
Oubre is 22, turns 23 next week.   He's been very up and down shooting and I think that affects his confidence and has made him somewhat foul prone.  WAS should play to his strengths while developing his 3-ball slowly over the next 2 or 3 years.
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kiiidcarter8

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2482 on: December 03, 2018, 07:40:24 PM »

Clearly a guy we had no interest in, nor should we have.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2483 on: December 03, 2018, 08:01:46 PM »

2 years ago he would have been a good addition.
Right now we're loaded with young wings.
Still a guy to keep an eye on.

Young all-around guys who can't hit 3's (yet) could be good value pickups.  It's my StanJohnson theory of the NBA.
And if they develop a 3-point shot after a while, a la Crowder/DMC, then you have a great bargain on your hands.
Not that Uber's D is at StanJohnson's level.
But yeah, I'd keep monitoring Oubre.

Edit:  And as I was posting, Oubre forces a Knox turnover, then gets an offensive foul called on Vonleh, as Oubre forces his way over a screen.
Small plays that help a team.  Just fighting over screens, getting your hand in, etc.
Further edit:  Oubre just blocked a Dotson J.
3 good plays, and only one will show up in the box score.  But the coaches chart that stuff.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2484 on: December 03, 2018, 08:14:02 PM »

Satoransky is the better player

I know he was maligned here earlier
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2485 on: December 03, 2018, 08:20:33 PM »

Oubre much better.
Watch him on rebound scrums.
Watch him on D.

Sato is marginal.

If you can't see the difference between Uber-Kelly and Satoransky, I can't help you.  I presume this is just another example of your affirmative action scouting.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2486 on: December 03, 2018, 08:49:04 PM »

Heh.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2487 on: December 03, 2018, 09:18:22 PM »

I recommend you brush up on Satoransky's career

Wiz about to go to 2-0 since finally listening to me and going 3 guards
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2488 on: December 03, 2018, 09:46:09 PM »

SEXTON playing another nice game for Cavs tonight at BK

Has been excellent since Knucklehead Smith said he couldn't play and they jettisoned asshole coach who wouldn't start him.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2489 on: December 03, 2018, 10:16:11 PM »

I recommend you brush up on Satoransky's career
Wiz about to go to 2-0 since finally listening to me and going 3 guards

Wiz beat the Knix and Nets.
Not a big accomplishment.
With ATL next.
More schedule than lineup.

I assumed you wanted Awful Rivers to start.
Another favorite of yours.
I have no problem with Satoransky as a 15 min a night $3M role player.

WIZ sure played in spurts.  And looked awful the last 3 minutes, with Wall misdirecting things, and allowing the Knix to get back in it. Could've been a 1 pt game if Courtly made an uncontested layup.

Btw, Uber-Kelly is same age as Trier (22, soon to be 23) and 2 years younger than Dotson.
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