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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Kam]

If trump were half as competent or organized or took his job half as seriously as Adam Silver, at least 150,000 of those who died from Covid-19 would still be alive.

-snip-

A dubious assertion.  Its easy to point fingers but there was so much that went wrong simultaneously that anyone in charge would have had a similar result.  Capitalism drives many things that are out of political control.

Yes, I get it - blame the weather on Trump but it gets us nowhere in terms of personal responsibility.  The country still resists masks, distancing, and more.  Sure, Trump is an A-hole but as John Lennon so splendidly informed us - he's not the only one.

If Trump - instead of "playing it down" in march and april - took american lives more seriously than the stock market he would've been hailed as a competent leader and saved 100,000+ lives in the process.

[kiidcarter8]

Maybe

Except that last part

[josh]

If trump were half as competent or organized or took his job half as seriously as Adam Silver, at least 150,000 of those who died from Covid-19 would still be alive.

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A dubious assertion.  Its easy to point fingers but there was so much that went wrong simultaneously that anyone in charge would have had a similar result.

The country still resists masks, distancing, and more. 

Had Trump embraced masks the moment the CDC did, the US would have had more than 100,000 fewer deaths.

Had Trump embraced his power to get PPE made, we would have lost fewer medical personnel.

Had Trump left the people on the ground in China that he fired, things would have been different.

Had Trump chosen to use the Pandemic Book left him by his predecessor (who had screwed up and then worked to try to make the next time better), instead of ignoring it because it came from Obama, things would have been different.

Had Trump heeded his own administrations responses to their failed simulations, things would have been different.

So, no, sir, it is not a matter of his being an asshole. It is not a partisan matter, at all, to say that Trump screwed this one up royally. Even his big triumph of shutting down the flights from China, he still permitted 40,000 people to come to the US from China without quarantine.

[chipstern]

If trump were half as competent or organized or took his job half as seriously as Adam Silver, at least 150,000 of those who died from Covid-19 would still be alive.

-snip-

A dubious assertion.  Its easy to point fingers but there was so much that went wrong simultaneously that anyone in charge would have had a similar result.

The country still resists masks, distancing, and more. 

Had Trump embraced masks the moment the CDC did, the US would have had more than 100,000 fewer deaths.

Had Trump embraced his power to get PPE made, we would have lost fewer medical personnel.

Had Trump left the people on the ground in China that he fired, things would have been different.

Had Trump chosen to use the Pandemic Book left him by his predecessor (who had screwed up and then worked to try to make the next time better), instead of ignoring it because it came from Obama, things would have been different.

Had Trump heeded his own administrations responses to their failed simulations, things would have been different.

So, no, sir, it is not a matter of his being an asshole. It is not a partisan matter, at all, to say that Trump screwed this one up royally. Even his big triumph of shutting down the flights from China, he still permitted 40,000 people to come to the US from China without quarantine.

Inconvenient TRUTHS. 

Thanks, Josh. 

[chipstern]

Marc Berman, so grains of salt required. 

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[bodiddley]

There is no way the virus response would have been similar if Hillary had been president.   Besides the Trump fiascoes named above, also the first months  of preparation (Jan & Feb) were totally squandered, as the CDC testing was a failure and private companies weren't allowed to perform or process tests.  Then they never switched to the quick antigen tests, which China used almost exclusively, so many test results took up to 10 days (at one point mid-Summer the average was 5.5 days), so that contact tracing and isolation of those infected couldn't occur. 

While the Trump politicization of masks, meant that a mask consensus wasn't reached until Aug 1 (that's when the GOP finally admitted masks helped, as Red states were swamped with cases).

These were a series of catastrophic own goals that any average mildly competent leader wouldn't have made.  These failures irrefutably led to greater transmission of the virus, which equals more sickness, more hospitalization, and more deaths.   And yes, models show that action starting a week or two earlier would have saved up to 100K.  There was never even a coordinated national strategy!

But hell, there was no reason to wait until March 1 even.  I was in Malta when the North Italy and Iran outbreaks hit circa Feb 22 or 23.  That was exactly the time to begin serious preparations.  If it got from China to Italy and Iran, it was coming to the US from both Asia and Europe.  Two and a half months were wasted from Jan 1 notification of a novel coronavirus til March 15 when the Trump Admin started to take some measures.  Unfortunately in the US everything was reactive after the virus spread and outbreaks were rampant.  The time to tackle a viral spread is as early as possible, before the virus is widespread among the public.

There were many different outcomes possible.
China and NZ point to very positive outcomes with early serious precautions.
The US and much of South America plus India are major failures with poor leadership and disorganization.  Trump was among the worst leaders, though Bolsanaro and Lukashenko were decidedly worse.

[kiidcarter8]

Magic deal

Aminu, maybe?

2 years at about ten per

[carlos123]

Trump was among the worst leaders, though Bolsanaro and Lukashenko were decidedly worse.

Well, Bolsonaro was parroting Trump, so who’s the worst, parroter or parrotee?

As for Lukashenko, I don’t know. Was he parroting Putin?

Wait, wait, parroting Putin, hmmmmm... Interesting 🧐

[bodiddley]

I probably should have said they were on par with Trump in ineptitude and not giving a shit.

Lukashenko btw is still facing huge protests calling for his ouster, and he's hoping Putin has his back if things go ugly.  He needs Putin to either back him up in a military crackdown or give him a safe place to flee with his fortune.  Putin for his part merely wants to cut into Belarus' sovereignty.

[bodiddley]

I can understand Ball, as NYK have needed a starting PG for a long time.
But Wise Man?  We already have Mitch and there are questions about Wiseman's dedication.  Oh, and it's a 3-point shooting league, not a Big Man league these days.

Okongwu sounds like he could play with Mitch.
And Vassal sounds like a solid 3&D wing.
The idea of trading down kind of sickens me, but if they have the proper target ...
But who cares if you take a guy a little lower on most draft boards such as a Shai G-A or a Donovan Mitchell, if you have confidence he's a player.

[chipstern]

Magic deal

Aminu, maybe?

2 years at about ten per

3 & D defensive specialist, strictly a scrubinie coming off the bench, who is fucking 30 years old and cannot shoot worth a damn. 

Lordy.

WHY? 

[facilitatorn]

If the magic want to move up from 15 to 8 and they are willing to accept DSJ as a significant part of the return, I have two offers.

Mo Bamba, Melvin Frazier, #15 for DSJ & #8.

Aaron Gordon & #15 for DSJ & #8.

[bodiddley]

Our last three draft picks were all Top 10 and none of them is a good shooter.
Frank #8 and Knox (#9) are both at 36% FG for their young careers.  Frank can't hit 3's, Knox is trying to.   RJB (#3) put up 40% FG and 32% on 3's; 61% FT.

And our other promising young pup Mitch doesn't shoot outside of 6 feet.

So Knix really might want to consider drafting a shooter.
(I miss KZ)

[kidcarter8]

I can understand Ball, as NYK have needed a starting PG for a long time.
But Wise Man?  We already have Mitch and there are questions about Wiseman's dedication.  Oh, and it's a 3-point shooting league, not a Big Man league these days.

Okongwu sounds like he could play with Mitch.
And Vassal sounds like a solid 3&D wing.
The idea of trading down kind of sickens me, but if they have the proper target ...
But who cares if you take a guy a little lower on most draft boards such as a Shai G-A or a Donovan Mitchell, if you have confidence he's a player.

I think with Wiseman you have to go back a year and read the plaudits as he came out of high school.

P Hardaway is a joke.  Erase that year.  Though I do believe my eyes on Precious and have him a bit higher than most draft boards (P A benefitted a bit from Wiseman missing time at MEMPHIS)

[kidcarter8]

Our last three draft picks were all Top 10 and none of them is a good shooter.
Frank #8 and Knox (#9) are both at 36% FG for their young careers.  Frank can't hit 3's, Knox is trying to.   RJB (#3) put up 40% FG and 32% on 3's; 61% FT.

And our other promising young pup Mitch doesn't shoot outside of 6 feet.

So Knix really might want to consider drafting a shooter.
(I miss KZ)

Shooter?

Nesmith is the guy you would hope, at 15.  Terry is another guy I'd look at there, along with the three I have already touted - Anthony, Carey and P Achiuwa