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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15405 on: December 14, 2020, 02:06:30 AM »

I have a feeling that what Thibs wants to look at in preseason and what he decides to do when he want to win games may be somewhat different.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15406 on: December 14, 2020, 04:16:17 AM »

Release the Kraken!
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« Reply #15407 on: December 14, 2020, 04:18:08 AM »

I've been saying the same Kam.
Also Randle and Mitch would look better with a genuine PG.
So would our annual infusion of journeymen shooters.
Whole team would look and develop better, while allowing a more accurate evaluation of the team, upping value, etc..
That's why after some thought I realized trading for Chris Paul would make sense.

We saw last year RJB and Randle struggle trying to play Point-like.
We just don't have anyone who can orchestrate a half court game, and likely no one who can push the pace for easier transition buckets.  A young team should run.

Knix doomed until we get a starting PG.
So yeah, I would have traded up to get Ball.
Wish we had traded Rose for Rubio a few years ago.
Lots of PG movement the past 5 years and the Knix never got in the game.
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« Reply #15408 on: December 14, 2020, 04:23:57 AM »

Check out the college guys
Cunningham and Suggs
If we got either one it would solve our problems.

A CP3 might not let us be bad enough to draft that high.
It’s the master plan?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15409 on: December 14, 2020, 05:58:21 AM »

Maybe we can just merge with another bad team that has a PG.
I'd vote for Sacto.  But be willing to settle for CHA.


CBSports ranked their Top 100 players, and Knix were only team that didn't have a soul on the list . . .


I have to make it a point to watch ATL this year.
Should be one of the better shooting teams.
Some intriguing young players.
A Capela at the rim.

If Hunter or RedCam break through, they could be dangerous.
Trae will get to expand his game.
Should be fun.
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« Reply #15410 on: December 14, 2020, 10:32:52 AM »

Again, good points.  Well, your talking points, not OUR POINTS. 

When Elfrid was on the floor, even with his trademark bricks from the perimeter, there was pace and coherence. 

I am rooting for Dennis, and CLEARLY, so is Coach Thibs. 

Still, I remain baffled by what happenned to his game compared to the aggressive, penetrating force he was during his late season, post-Dallas cameo in the final 20+ 2018-2019 contests.   In both games, I can only recall a few instances where he doble clutched, changed speeds and went hard to the hoop.  He is clearly trying to facilitate in a manner that jibes with Thibs' expectations.  Payton gets to the hoop and finishes.  Why not Smith.  That is OR WAS his game. 

Frank can garner floor time by playing D, while waiting for Godot. 

Austin Rivers gained traction at the point and off the ball just by chilling.  And clearly Thibs is trying to figure out a way to get Quickley on the floor, either off the ball or as a facilitator. 

As our MSG pundits noted last night, Coach Casey's response was to force us off the block and dare us to beat them from outside. 

Be interesting to see how pre-season rotations evolve, and on the basis of the third quarter last night, Noel-Randle-Barrett-Burks-Payton makes sense.  Now Coach has to figure out who he can trust for the next five offa the pine...?

Robinson-Toppin-Bullock/Knox-Rivers-Quickley? 

I hope we get an opportunity to see Spellman and Brazdeikis, who can both shoot, though in my heart of hearts, I do not think they are going to see daylight.  Right now Rivers and Quickley are the most tantalizing X-Factors.  Burks has established that he is as advertised...an adult scorer with probably the best outside shot on the team.   

Thibs has until Wednesday to address our faux pas from last night, which was not as godawful as it could've been, giving our outside shooting and foul shooting. 
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« Reply #15411 on: December 14, 2020, 12:08:29 PM »

This game was an evaluation run, nothing more. Thibs wants to see what he wants to evaluate.  No harm done.  No reason to panic.

I'm burned out in frustration with DSJ.  Take him out of this mix and ALL discussion would change.  He simply F's up the chemistry of this team royally.

A close second is Randall although we are stuck with this personally likeable doorstop.  Again, if we get DSJ's shitty play off the court maybe Randall would not look so bad.  Certainly Mitch would have fewer frustration fouls.

From Hahn's FB chat last night it sounds like DSJ's hefty contract is the issue.  Tough to just buy that out.  IMO (and it ain't my money), worth the price for everyone involved.
 
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« Reply #15412 on: December 14, 2020, 12:09:23 PM »

So, seeing the first two contests, how does removing Randle and Frank look as an option?


Then - seeing our abysmal shooting, how does adding Buddy Hield look?


Maybe your pause is a more positive assessment of Randle than you'd admit to.
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« Reply #15413 on: December 14, 2020, 12:12:35 PM »

#1 pick in my draft the other day

Passed on Harden.

Who would you have selected among AD, Giannis, Curry and Luka?

Nabbed J Murray round 2, then Zion and Wall, all higher than their slots.
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« Reply #15414 on: December 14, 2020, 12:36:43 PM »

#1 pick in my draft the other day

Passed on Harden.

Who would you have selected among AD, Giannis, Curry and Luka?

Nabbed J Murray round 2, then Zion and Wall, all higher than their slots.

Denver picked Murray with the second #1 pick [the swap option] from the Anthony Trade.

A gift that keeps giving. 
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« Reply #15415 on: December 14, 2020, 12:55:04 PM »

So, seeing the first two contests, how does removing Randle and Frank look as an option?


Then - seeing our abysmal shooting, how does adding Buddy Hield look?


Maybe your pause is a more positive assessment of Randle than you'd admit to.

We clearly saw that removing Frank eliminated the team's defensive intensity by significant measure.  We also saw that Thibs trusts Frank to bring it late in the game.  His coupling with Quickly was clunky but promising as Quickly was getting his NBA sea legs.

Randle adds scoring and removes the benefit of that offense with wildly frustrating bad play. He's a zero sum contributor with the use of 'contributor' being a kinder form of the word 'worthless'.

Hield has been discussed and vetted on numerous occasions.  He adds scoring but introduces a head-case to the locker room.

Frankie, Burks, Quickly, RJ, Obie, and others will eventually find their touch.

Like Bo, I think its a tragedy that Rubio has never been seriously pursued as a PG candidate here. He preeminently represents a great crossover solution to our primary need.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15416 on: December 14, 2020, 01:36:40 PM »

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Draft is Thursday night 8 PM

To join go to Yahoo Fantasy Basketball page and search ELBA

Thanks
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« Reply #15417 on: December 14, 2020, 01:39:11 PM »

Checking in on Hield's impressive J and pretty decent defense and floor game - sorry, Bo........

and what do I see?

Carmelo off the bench first quarter with 10 points in 4 minutes

Dude looks real good - even blocked a shot.

He wasnt coming here - but those who wanted no part seem silly right now.
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« Reply #15418 on: December 14, 2020, 02:21:45 PM »

Taking Hield of course meant taking his money on for next season.  That would be your negative talking point.

18.5/18,5/20.5 from '21-'22 thru '23-'24

But you would have your sniper.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #15419 on: December 14, 2020, 02:31:56 PM »

Quiz -

Name the 9 active NBA players ahead of Hield's career .411 3-pt rate

Part 2 - Name the 11 active qualifying players (1200+ free throws) ahead of Hield's career .866 FT mark (Buddy doesnt meet the attempts threshold)

Point - PRETTY GOOD SHOOTER
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