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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kidcarter8]

Stat alert

Buddy Hield

833 three pointers made in 225 games over last 3 seasons

[chipstern]

Andrew Wiggins got vaccinated.

[kidcarter8]

'gets'

[facilitatorn]

Kid is snippy. He is probably being evicted again. It is his time of the month.

[carlos123]

Kid is snippy. He is probably being evicted again. It is his time of the month.

He's just bitchy. Poor thing can't help himself.

Also, he has a thing for Chip.

Hey Chip, lucky you!

[bodiddley]

Stat alert
Buddy Hield
833 three pointers made in 225 games over last 3 seasons

Hield just rarely impacts winning.
He seems content to have just one skill.
And yet he's been disgruntled.
Wasn't he asking for a trade(?)

Who's their leader?  Harrison "Silent" Barnes?
Fox and Hield are talented non-team players.
Can Tristan and tyH really push the rest.
Coherence lacking.

[kidcarter8]

Leader?

heh

What are these numbers?

14
7
15

[facilitatorn]

Oh I got this!

The number of teeth in your head
Your IQ
The length of your dick in millimeters

Swish for the win.

[bodiddley]

So presumably the Knix:

Kemba Walker   
RJ Barrett
Evan Fournier
Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson

I guess the main question is when the opponent has a scoring PG, do you put RJB or Fournier on them?  You don't want RJB getting cheap early fouls, and he's quite a good help defender. Can Evan Four function as a useful offball defender -- with help and closeouts?  That is, RJB's role last year.  Requires alertness, effort and quick decision-making.   Fournier can use his fouls, as we have Burks and IQ to come in and microwave.

I assume Kemba will follow the Thibs dictate of going over every screen and trailing the ballhandler.  Rose was quite good at disrupting PG's from behind.  But Walker likely doesn't have the size, tenacity, knees to be effective at that.

So on D, I'm concerned with how to compensate for Kemba's shortcomings.

2nd unit
Derrick Rose      
Alec Burks
Kevin Knox II
Obi Toppin      
Nerlens Noel   

Pretty solid bench, but just one defender.
Will Knox be the 10th man or a regular part of the 2nd unit?
Or do we see RJB eat up minutes at both wing positions.
And then IQ as the 10th man.  And Knox situational.

We've got a very deep team and aren't contending.  I'd rather Randle and RJB drop down to a more normal 33 mins per.  With ObiT and IQ/Grimes getting some run.

3rd string:
McBride - Immanuel Quickley - Quentin Grimes - [Knox] - Taj Gibson

Kemba and Rose will miss some games.
Opening up time for IQ, and then maybe McBride slipping into IQ's spot.
Otherwise, it's hard to see McBride and Grimey getting run.
Thibs prefers vets long minutes and rooks not seen or heard from.
ObiT likely 9th man, and our two rooks not in the rotation.   Not exactly maximizing the draft ..

[facilitatorn]

Kemba will either pace or outpace the opposing scoring PG or we will not see much of that matchup for the duration. The other four guys will try to shrink the floor for him and he will have to go close to all out to keep up but he is Kemba and that is what he does quite nicely in his career so far. If it does not work like that he can take a step back to figure out how to be like Rose for the next phase of his career while D Rose steps back up into Thibs PG seat where he has been known to operate quite well. What Bryant does with the young ones is the X factor.

What would it mean for the Knicks if Taj or less likely Noel started hitting threes at a near forty percent clip?

[bodiddley]

Taj is our 5th Big.
Doubt he sees any court time without an injury to someone ahead of him.
I think he's mostly a practice player, essentially an extra assistant coach, and a guy who can push Thibs' agenda/style from within.

With that said, Taj was super active on the offensive boards last year.  His effort and tipping balls often allowed the Knix defense to get back and matchup, disallowing transition offense.
And he grabbed some O-boards as well.  Corner 3 Taj would just take him away from his O-boarding harassment.

Mitch & Nerlens haven't been the most durable in the past.  So Taj will bide his time, somewhat like IQ who is 3rd PG (behind a pair of creaky PG's) and 6th G.   And some nights Thibs might just want Taj's energy and discipline out there.  But I can't see him making an impact with 3-balls at age 36, while not likely to play much as well.

I'd have Taj work with ObiT.  Help the lad with defensive awareness and positioning.  ObiT wasn't as bad on D as advertised.  Also, work with ObiT on O-boarding, where he seems to have a knack. 

[kidcarter8]

Leader?

heh

What are these numbers?

14
7
15

Kings consecutive losing seasons after moving to SAC
Subsequent consecutive WINNING seasons
Last spate of losing years following the 7

Leadership?, he asks.

Well, I suppose this year that would come from the VETERANS

Harkless, Thompson, Barnes and Holmes

or the young POTENTIAL leaders Haliburton and Mitchell

FIFTEEN YEARS!  Good God.

[kidcarter8]

Re:  the genius of Bo lineups

I like Grimes over Knox but my guess is Thibs does give KK some early run

Grimes is REAL.

McBride-Quickley will become a battle - and yes, as Bo says - it may be for Knox/Grimes' tenth rotation spot

With WINNING the only thing this year I do expect some 9 man rotation games.

(ADD:  Nerlens-Mitch straight up comp to start, no?)

[chipstern]

So presumably the Knix:

Kemba Walker   
RJ Barrett
Evan Fournier
Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson

I guess the main question is when the opponent has a scoring PG, do you put RJB or Fournier on them?  You don't want RJB getting cheap early fouls, and he's quite a good help defender. Can Evan Four function as a useful offball defender -- with help and closeouts?  That is, RJB's role last year.  Requires alertness, effort and quick decision-making.   Fournier can use his fouls, as we have Burks and IQ to come in and microwave.

I assume Kemba will follow the Thibs dictate of going over every screen and trailing the ballhandler.  Rose was quite good at disrupting PG's from behind.  But Walker likely doesn't have the size, tenacity, knees to be effective at that.

So on D, I'm concerned with how to compensate for Kemba's shortcomings.

2nd unit
Derrick Rose      
Alec Burks
Kevin Knox II
Obi Toppin      
Nerlens Noel   

Pretty solid bench, but just one defender.
Will Knox be the 10th man or a regular part of the 2nd unit?
Or do we see RJB eat up minutes at both wing positions.
And then IQ as the 10th man.  And Knox situational.

We've got a very deep team and aren't contending.  I'd rather Randle and RJB drop down to a more normal 33 mins per.  With ObiT and IQ/Grimes getting some run.

3rd string:
McBride - Immanuel Quickley - Quentin Grimes - [Knox] - Taj Gibson

Kemba and Rose will miss some games.
Opening up time for IQ, and then maybe McBride slipping into IQ's spot.
Otherwise, it's hard to see McBride and Grimey getting run.
Thibs prefers vets long minutes and rooks not seen or heard from.
ObiT likely 9th man, and our two rooks not in the rotation.   Not exactly maximizing the draft ..

And whom would our resident GM have drafted.

Halliburton over Toppin

And whom over Grimes, Joukabitis, McBride and Sims?

[kidcarter8]

I would have Taj work with ObiT.  Help the lad with defensive awareness and positioning.  ObiT was not as bad on D as advertised.  Also, work with ObiT on O-boarding, where he seems to have a knack.


OBI was a great interview last week.  Just "being a sponge", learning from his mates and looking to improve on a rookie season not up to his expectation.

Keeper.