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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21270 on: November 16, 2021, 12:42:59 PM »

Along with much of the Knick offense, Fournier has been rather slumpy in November:
38% FG & 23% from distance.  3-14 on 3's last 4 games.  Also 10 turnovers and just 14 assists in the 8 NOV games.  Missed the IND game.  Want to see if he's getting good looks, and the ratio of off the dribble to catch and shoot 3's.

Not sure Randle dribble quotient matters, as much as what they are in service to.  Randle dribbling on the perimeter and then launching a contested 18' is not good.  Randle dribble-driving into the paint, drawing a crowd and kicking out to an open shooter is good offense.  The latter likely to involve more dribbles.  Sure seems Randle is drawing doubles and kicking out less these days.  That used to be a Knick offense mainstay, getting lots of very open 3-point shots.
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« Reply #21271 on: November 16, 2021, 12:45:53 PM »

2020-21, NYK: 24.1 points in 37.6 mpg, 83.6 touches/gm, 2.27 dribbles per touch

This was the breakthrough to stardom year, right?

And THIS the subsequent year, which you seem to have trouble with?

2021-22, NYK: 21.0 points in 35.6 mpg, 75.6 touches/gm, 2.28 dribbles per touch

The new Walker and Fournier backcourt were supposed to - at least plausibly - make it easier for Julius to score.  His touches are down, leading to a decline in scoring, but when he gets the ball he is dribbling just as much.  Which tells me he isn't changing his style of play for the new comers but just deferring more.  That's not necessarily a problem.  But I think there is room there for Julius to explore life more often as a spot up shooter and not a -- run the offense though me -- player.  Let Randle be a floor spacer so that Walker and Fourneir have room for their games to shine.  That would lead to a decrease in dribbles per touch.   And would to me be a sign of a healthier offense with the ability to beat you with Julius on or off the ball.   In the playoffs they'll force Julius to play that way.  So we may as well start using him like this:  0.5 dribbles per touch

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« Reply #21272 on: November 16, 2021, 12:58:04 PM »

This is another example of a good use of Walker and Julius together in the high pick and roll.  Need to use Julius more like this:  1.0 dribble per touch

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« Reply #21273 on: November 16, 2021, 01:02:11 PM »

Or this:  1.5 dribbles per touch

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« Reply #21274 on: November 16, 2021, 01:03:18 PM »

Anytime he takes more than two dribbles it's probably gonna be a turnover.  And as you see in those clips he can score or find the open man (who needs to shoot better) without pounding his dribble and backing in like he's Patrick in the paint.  Also when over-dribbling he has a tendency to look at his man guarding him as a mano y mano challenge and he goes into a take the game over mentality.  I'd rather he deferred to Kemba.   The second unit defers to IQand Rose and they're prospering.   Toppin isn't out there dribbling the ball at the top of the key and backing his man down for a tough fade away.   It's hard to win playing that style and last year the Knicks were historically lucky that opposing teams weren't making open threes against them.  That style that worked last year for Randle and the Team success... aint working anymore.   Give the keys to Kemba and let him make the game easier for you Julius. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21275 on: November 16, 2021, 01:42:08 PM »

A non-issue, I think

The idea was to add a couple of guys who could help JR with the scoring load.

24 down to 21 isnt all too problematic for this team
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« Reply #21276 on: November 16, 2021, 01:47:27 PM »



IMO, Fournier is a below average defender, and Burks is worse.  Burks makes bad decisions, terrible rotations, can't be trusted on switches.  Burks is a more active defender, but that doesn't matter when your actions are often detrimental.  last year, I used to replay egregious Knick defensive breakdowns, and it was almost always Burks or Randle.  With a little Quix, ObiT and even RJB getting burned backdoor now and then.


It's only fair then to replay this wonderful bit of Burks defense from last night as the Knicks were making their second half comeback.

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« Reply #21277 on: November 16, 2021, 01:56:14 PM »

Now THAT'S some overdribbling
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« Reply #21278 on: November 16, 2021, 05:49:05 PM »

http://powerrankingsguru.com/nba/strength-of-schedule.php

According to this site the Knicks have the 6th easiest remaining strength of schedule. 

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21279 on: November 17, 2021, 05:51:11 AM »

Mobley had a rough 0-11 FG game v. Celts and hurt his elbow 4Q, will miss 2-4 weeks.
Tough loss for CLE.


The CHI BallZo-Caruso backcourt has been fun to watch.  Bulls with a highly rated defense largely because their guards guard.  Both Zo and Caruso get tons of deflections and steals.


ObiT has a higher PER than Randle ...


DA Fox: 23% on 3's and shooting 4.6 of 'em per game

Ty Hero: 22 / 6 / 4 with nice %'s

Ty Maxey 17 /4 / 4  ... shooting splits  52/42/88

I didn't realize DeRozan was having such a good season.  he's been blah the two halves I've seen of Bulls games.  I was impressed with Caruso, while Zach Lavie did nice stuff while I was watching.
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« Reply #21280 on: November 17, 2021, 09:43:20 AM »

Bulls are legit.  Was having a conversation recently and someone asked who I thought was making playoffs from East.

Miami
Brooklyn
Philly
CHICAGO

were my only definites.
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« Reply #21281 on: November 17, 2021, 11:20:56 AM »

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« Reply #21282 on: November 17, 2021, 12:38:13 PM »

Right on, Cuz

Deep shooting big (47.8% this year for Maxi)
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And yet so far ...
« Reply #21283 on: November 17, 2021, 02:55:42 PM »

Of the 8 players shooting 9 or more 3's per game, 6 are shooting a below average %.
Clarkson most egregious jacking 9.7 treys at a 25% clip.
Lillard 28%; Ant Edwards 33%; Reg Jax 33% (RegJax launching 9.4 triples a game!?!); Donovan Mitch 32%

Only Scurry and Hield, both 40%, are efficient.
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« Reply #21284 on: November 17, 2021, 03:22:54 PM »

wow - keep us posted
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