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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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« Reply #21525 on: December 03, 2021, 02:46:54 PM »

McBride looked great.

So did Samanic [SaMaKnick?]

And Aamir Simms
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« Reply #21527 on: December 03, 2021, 03:17:32 PM »

Last night's game was a roller coaster ride. 

A few things. 

Gibson got tossed.  Jericho had some sort of bug, as did RJ.  Nerlens gimpy as per usual. 

The Bulls Big Three was just too much for us, though we came storming back in the second half, but DeMar DeRozan is an assassin of the Old School. 

[Worth noting that Scott Perry wanted to pursue DeRozan in free agency but was outvoted]

Big 4 if you count Caruso, who has been playing lights out on D and from 3. 

So Thibs went with a short rotation. 

Knox got a look, but looked lost [that 3 Knicks and one Bull, and the Bull, was it Caruso] on a rebound opportunity.

Grimes got a cameo. 

Bulls lacking size, but good D. 

Burks, Fournier and IQ were a combined 15-41.

2021 21st Century Schizoid Man 

I love Julius, and have been impressed by how he has gotten away from launching treys and returned to the low post attacking mode. 

He carried us for stretches of the game.  30 points on 14-21, 12 boards, 6 assists and 2 blocks. 

I mean, Burks-Fournier-Quickley were a combined 15-41

However, JR was 2-5 from the FT line, and had 7 turnovers. 

SEVEN TURNOVERS. 

What exactly is the reasoning behind Julius being a Point Forward.  When he gets to ponding and pivoting, pounding and pivoting, there is a 50/50 chance he makes a great pass as the help defenders collapse, or he stubbornly keeps juking until the double/triple knocks the ball out of his hand or he coughs it up. 

Much has been made about Julius not being a leader. 

Well, he is our best player, and is our leader by default, and some of that fault rests on Thibs, although--AND I WAS TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH ALL OF LEON ROSE'S MOVES--really, other than Derrick, who else fills the role of leader? 

When the season started, RJ looked as if he were ready to step into that role.  But he has struggled after a hot start. 

And filling the role of leader, what about getting a Laurel to complement Julius Randle's Hardy? 

Lavine-Vucevic-DeRozan

Bulls basically traded Wendell Carter and a 2021 and 2023 #1 pick for Nikola Vucevic. 

And to complement their bona fide superstar, Lavine, they got DeRozan, who has been looking very superstarry, and Lonzo Ball and Alex Caruso, who give them size and defensive tenacity, and the odd three ball. 

Noels has been gimpy.
Fournier has been up and down.
Burks has been solid as a role player, but as a starter, as a point? 
Walker has not been a good fit. 

Rose has been solid.
IQ and Obi and Jericho have had their ups and downs, but have brought a lot of energy. 

Neither Grimes not McBride have gotten a sustained look. 

Julius has been our bell cow, and has been getting his game together, but his help as not been consistent, and he tries to do--OR PERHAPS IS TASKED TO DO--too much. 

December 15 beckons.  What might the front office do? 

PS: Meanwhile, as has been duly noted, McBride, Samanic and Simms have been playing well in the G League.  McBride sure looks like a PG, and Burks sure looks a like a 6th man, but hey, who is Thibs going to give the keys to the car? 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21528 on: December 03, 2021, 04:36:26 PM »

"I was totally on board with all of Leon's moves"

Would love to know - other than DeRozen - who did Rose decide against - which player would have come here and is playing well.

I said I trust them.  But would like all the info I can get.
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« Reply #21529 on: December 03, 2021, 06:45:15 PM »

There's chatter that players can be poached from underperforming POR and IND.
Love me some Brogdon.  Covington is expiring.  Not sure why he's slumped in POR, but I'd check into his mojo if he's available on the cheap.  The type of player we could use, if he can regain his form and is healthy.  Not proposing any trades, just guys to keep an eye on.
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« Reply #21530 on: December 03, 2021, 07:45:13 PM »

At this point in time.

Our problems for yours.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #21531 on: December 03, 2021, 09:23:23 PM »

Waiting too long to deal guys becomes a problem

Frank
Knox
Now Barrett...
Mitch even (again - how much do you match to keep him?)
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« Reply #21532 on: December 04, 2021, 12:17:53 AM »

RJB is fine.  Has game.
Knox and Franc never showed anything much, never managed as regular rotation players.

Of course guys can develop.  We dont really know who works hard, who has mental toughness, we don't even really know much about their health.  I never liked LaVine, as he was a chucker with terrible D.  But he's matured, gotten healthy and developed. Become a nice player.  And seems willing to defer to DeRozan.  Hell, many thought DeMar was a midrange anachronism, and he's killing it this year.  A similar tale is Wiggins, who has really benefited from playing with elite players in an elite system in GSW. 

Franc seems a limited cat, but could be a long-armed short-minute defender.
Knox has a physique but doesn't seem to be a bright basketball mind.  But maybe on the right team in the right system could become a useful NBA player.  We've seen some shades of that on O.
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« Reply #21533 on: December 04, 2021, 04:47:52 AM »

Knix just 5-7 at Home.
Only 3 East teams with a worse home record: TOR 3-8 and the two bottom feeders DET & ORL, both 2-8.  SacKings just 3-8 @ home.


GSW eclipsed the Suns with stellar defense.  Helped that Book is out.
4Q Utah just outplayed Bos.  Conley and Mitch just went at and through and around Schroder.  Ingles got hot too, and Gobert did his thing inside on both ends.  Nice Utah win.


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« Reply #21534 on: December 04, 2021, 09:20:07 AM »

Knicks have 10.9 mil option on Barrett for '22-'23

Where do we go with an offer?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html
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« Reply #21535 on: December 04, 2021, 11:57:31 AM »

How many losses would it take for Thibs to

a)  demand some help from the front office
b)  tweak the offense a bit to get more pick and roll, more drive and dish, whatever alternative to running through JR
c)  reinsert Walker
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« Reply #21536 on: December 04, 2021, 11:58:59 AM »

Have to be all for taking a look at Samanic for 20 minutes a night

Loyalties in the way - but he did so with Kemba - why not Barrett or Mitch?
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« Reply #21537 on: December 04, 2021, 12:06:47 PM »

Even with his 8-14 over last 2 games, Barrett over last 14:

13 shots per game
4.5 from deep

.339/.250

Add .675 from the line

Add 1.9/1.6 assist/turnovers

Just .4 steals and .2 blocks


Time for a change.  Burks to starting THREE was the move - not the 1.
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« Reply #21538 on: December 04, 2021, 12:18:50 PM »

Samanic averaging 28.1/10.6 over 7 games

And this includes one game where he played just 18 minutes and went for 17/4.

So over last 6 he is at THIRTY per game, with ELEVEN POINT SEVEN boards.!!!!!!

Shooting percentage?  FIFTY FIVE and FORTY-ONE - dammit.
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« Reply #21539 on: December 04, 2021, 12:21:19 PM »

Program note

Game is at 1 PM today

Look out for Monte Morris, having a nice run (I think Bones Hyland is still sick/injured)

Schedule gets rough

Denver
Then 3 game road swing
Then home for Bucks/Warriors

Can we get three of them?
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